From taylor13 at llnl.gov Thu Nov 2 11:46:59 2006 From: taylor13 at llnl.gov (Karl Taylor) Date: Thu Nov 2 11:59:59 2006 Subject: [CCSM-AMWG] CCSM3+ development simulations In-Reply-To: <453E501B.7030005@ucar.edu> References: <453E501B.7030005@ucar.edu> Message-ID: <454A3D23.7030700@llnl.gov> Dear AMWG: There may be some confusion concerning the interpretation of one of the sets of "Taylor Diagrams" mentioned in Richard Neile's email copied below. The set of diagrams that are supposed to display information concerning how well the models simulate the annual cycle phase and magnitude (labeled "ANN: TIME") are in one respect wrong. The centered RMS error that can normally be inferred from the distance between each plotted point and the "REF" point (i.e., the observed point) is not in fact a measure of the RMS error averaged over all spatial points, as incorrectly implied in these plots. This is because the procedure used in computing the variance and correlation statistics breaks the relationship that is the basis of the diagram, namely: E**2 = sig1**2 + sig2**2 - 2*sig1*sig2*R where E is the centered RMS error, sig1, and sig2 are the standard deviation of the observed and simulated fields, respectively, and R is the correlation. The web page description of the Taylor diagrams pointed to in the email below indicates that in computing statistics for the "ANN: TIME" case, the standard deviation and correlation are first computed at each grid cell. Then the spatial means of these statistics are computed. If these mean statistics are used in the above equation, E is *not* the RMS error, averaged over all grid cells. If the true RMS errors at each grid cell are spatially averaged, the result will not satisfy the above equation. In short the above equation is not linear, so that averaging the statistics spatially destroys the relationship. It is therefore inappropriate to use a Taylor diagram to display the "ANN: TIME" statistics. I would recommend that if you want to focus on the annual cycle, simply subtract the time mean field, and then compute the space-time statistics for the resulting field. This is the way we have always done this at PCMDI. [Note that the time mean field and the annual cycle field (with time-mean removed) are mathematically orthogonal so the sum of component variances and the sum of the mean-square errors add to give the total statistics found in the "ANM: SPACE-TIME" plots.] By the way, in June of 2003 Peter Gleckler and I produced a whole series of Taylor diagrams evaluating competing versions for CAM2.X. We made these plots accessible via the web to the AMWG, and allowed the user to select any particular component of interest, including the full space-time statistics, statistics based on the annual mean fields, and statistics based on each of the seasonal means. In addition to the full spatial fields, the user could choose to view statistics based only on zonal mean fields or only on deviations from the zonal means. Each figure emphasized a different aspect of the simulations. I think the number of figures made available at that time might have been overwhelming (although the web-based interface to the figures made it easy to select), so I'm not advocating expanding the breadth of analysis -- just pointing out that it could be done quite easily. I'm glad that routinely preparing figures like these has now apparently become practical at NCAR. Richard Neale deserves thanks for that. Best regards, Karl Richard Neale wrote: > AMWG and working group co-chairs, > > In preparation for an interim CCSM development simulation using the new > pop2 ocean we have produced a number > of CAM (atmosphere-only) experiments examining possible incremental > improvements to the > Zhang-McFarlane deep convection scheme. Therefore, we are requesting the > community's feedback as to the > configuration which shows the greatest promise for inclusion in this > coupled integration. > > The convection changes represent the initial internal efforts of the > NCAR Climate Modeling Section. > We, of course, recognize the ongoing efforts of external collaborators > and so any changes > included in the up-coming CCSM experiment by no means represent any > final version of CCSM4. > We intend to have a similar evaluation whenever other groups submit > model formulations to be > considered for CCSM. > > We hope the community will examine and provide feedback on 3 > experiments, with the following changes to the convection scheme. > 1. The addition of convective momentum transports. (cam3_3_fv_cmt) > 2. Changing the deep convective plume calculation from a non-entraining > to an entraining calculation. (cam3_3_fv_dilute) > 3. Combining changes (1) and (2). (cam3_3_fv_cmt_dilute, > cam3_3_fv_cmt2_dilute) > > A range of diagnostics have been produced for each experiment including > climate mean and variability diagnostics as well as a first > effort at providing metrics in the form of an extended Taylor diagram. > They can be found on the following website: > > http://swiki.ucar.edu/cam-dev/25 > > This webpage is an editable wiki based webpage and is currently > restricted to UCAR and guest users. > If you do not have a UCAR general username and password then please > contact me (rneale@ucar.edu) > and I will send the guest password and username. > > The initial conclusion of the Climate Modelling Section is that ** > option 3 (cmt2_dilute) ** represents the most promising configuration. > However, community members may find aspects which are unacceptable in > the simulation and we > encourage feedback regarding any comments, suggestions and reservations > you may have. > > Many thanks > Richard Neale > (for AMWG and the Climate Modeling Section) >