From hannay at ucar.edu  Thu Jun  2 16:28:36 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 16:28:36 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] simulation "73" and "74"
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We have a few new simulations that includes the latest in cam/pop/clm.
These simulations includes a new land initial condition (reseeded) and
produces better LAI. We have recovered some of the boreal forest even if it
is still a bit anemic.
Adding the land has reduced the RESTOM and we did a set of short runs to
bring back RESTOM closer to zero.
Our last incarnation is "79" and it seems promising so far. Maybe we can
look at the diags tomorrow morning when we have more years and we can
discuss at the co-chair meeting.
Cecile






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On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> We have two new simulations running with the new land initial condition.
> The difference between 73 and 74 is some tuning parameters in the
> atmosphere.
> The simulations are set to run 12 years (we have 4 so far).
> Cecile
>
>
>
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> email: hannay at ucar.edu
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Fri Jun  3 11:36:30 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 11:36:30 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] simulation 79 and 66
Message-ID: <CAAKAQ2JAxEZztHEWa_o210CJM267t6e+khUatjcw208VRSmfaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Simulation 79 is 20 years. We will have a first look at the diags at the
co-chair meeting this PM.
The back up simulation 66 reached 100 years. It would be good to run the
diags for that one.
I will do the atm. John/Keith: could you do ocn/ice/lnd
Thanks


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From jet at ucar.edu  Fri Jun  3 11:45:28 2016
From: jet at ucar.edu (John Truesdale)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 13:45:28 -0400
Subject: [Cesm2control] simulation 79 and 66
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Hi Cecile:

I ran 66 and copied it over to the main diag website.  Its also on the
OMWG web site as control X.7.  I just ran 79 about an hour ago and
there was only 15 years at that time.  I put a job in again and update
it to 20 in the next hour.  15 years of 79 is on our OMWG website and
I'll copy ocn and ice over to your main directory.

jt

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
> Simulation 79 is 20 years. We will have a first look at the diags at the
> co-chair meeting this PM.
> The back up simulation 66 reached 100 years. It would be good to run the
> diags for that one.
> I will do the atm. John/Keith: could you do ocn/ice/lnd
> Thanks
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
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From oleson at ucar.edu  Fri Jun  3 11:48:10 2016
From: oleson at ucar.edu (Keith Oleson)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 11:48:10 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] simulation 79 and 66
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Land diagnostics for 79 are posted and are running for 66.

Keith

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:45 AM, John Truesdale <jet at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Hi Cecile:
>
> I ran 66 and copied it over to the main diag website.  Its also on the
> OMWG web site as control X.7.  I just ran 79 about an hour ago and
> there was only 15 years at that time.  I put a job in again and update
> it to 20 in the next hour.  15 years of 79 is on our OMWG website and
> I'll copy ocn and ice over to your main directory.
>
> jt
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
> > Simulation 79 is 20 years. We will have a first look at the diags at the
> > co-chair meeting this PM.
> > The back up simulation 66 reached 100 years. It would be good to run the
> > diags for that one.
> > I will do the atm. John/Keith: could you do ocn/ice/lnd
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Cecile Hannay
> > National Center for Atmospheric Research
> > email: hannay at ucar.edu
> > phone: 303-497-1327
> > webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cesm2control mailing list
> > Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> > http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
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From mvertens at ucar.edu  Fri Jun  3 13:56:05 2016
From: mvertens at ucar.edu (Mariana Vertenstein)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 13:56:05 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] meeting in 5 minutes in DCR
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From: mvertens at ucar.edu (Mariana Vertenstein)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 13:56:43 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Fwd: slides
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Date: Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 1:54 PM
Subject: slides
To: Mariana Vertenstein <mvertens at ucar.edu>, Jean-Francois Lamarque <
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Two set of slides for today


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From mvertens at ucar.edu  Fri Jun  3 13:57:46 2016
From: mvertens at ucar.edu (Mariana Vertenstein)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 13:57:46 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Fwd: slides
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From: David Lawrence <dlawren at ucar.edu>
Date: Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: slides
To: Jean-Francois Lamarque <lamar at ucar.edu>, Mariana Vertenstein <
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Hi J.F.,

A few slides that I could show if we need to with updates on CLM5 progress.

Dave

?
 CLM5_update_cochair.June3.pptx
<https://drive.google.com/a/ucar.edu/file/d/0B7ui-uM7IGRXS0JWRDduakw0c0E/view?usp=drive_web>
?

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Jean-Francois Lamarque <lamar at ucar.edu>
wrote:

> Hi C?cile, Gokhan and Dave
>
> if you have slides for this afternoon meeting, could you send them (and cc
> me) to
> Mariana (we'll be using her laptop)?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jean-Fran?ois
>
> --
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Mon Jun  6 10:10:47 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:10:47 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] MARBL error in 79
Message-ID: <CAAKAQ2K1zBv=RdjsNbA+_nRqN-33Q_A1Lq6QF7V8b_sJB5UBxg@mail.gmail.com>

Our latest simulation crashes with an error in MARBL.
 cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe):
bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal):
error code returned from drtsafe
cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
(marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
(marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
(ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: ERROR reported from MARBL library

It would be great if I can get some help debugging this.

The case directory is:
/glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79

The run directory is:
/glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run

Cecile


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From klindsay at ucar.edu  Mon Jun  6 10:54:18 2016
From: klindsay at ucar.edu (Keith Lindsay)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:54:18 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] MARBL error in 79
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Cecile,

It looks like SST's are going off the rails (dropping 15 degC in 1 day) in
a very localized region in the low latitude western Indian Ocean and that
this is causing fatal problems for the gas flux parameterizations in the
ocean ecosystem.

We saw something similar once in a coupled run that John Truesdale was
doing a couple of months ago. It went away when he reran it.

Please try rerunning the segment.

Keith

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Our latest simulation crashes with an error in MARBL.
>  cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe):
> bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal):
> error code returned from drtsafe
> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
> (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
> (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
> (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: ERROR reported from MARBL library
>
> It would be great if I can get some help debugging this.
>
> The case directory is:
> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79
>
> The run directory is:
> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
>
> Cecile
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Mon Jun  6 11:06:45 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay - NCAR)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 11:06:45 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] MARBL error in 79
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Hi Keith
Thanks for looking at this
Indeed, i tried to rerun and it crashed again. I also reran with a small perturbation and it also crashed (but with the perturbation at a different timestep)
Cecile

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
> 
> Cecile,
> 
> It looks like SST's are going off the rails (dropping 15 degC in 1 day) in a very localized region in the low latitude western Indian Ocean and that this is causing fatal problems for the gas flux parameterizations in the ocean ecosystem.
> 
> We saw something similar once in a coupled run that John Truesdale was doing a couple of months ago. It went away when he reran it.
> 
> Please try rerunning the segment.
> 
> Keith
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>> Our latest simulation crashes with an error in MARBL.
>>  cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe): bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal): error code returned from drtsafe
>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: ERROR reported from MARBL library
>> 
>> It would be great if I can get some help debugging this. 
>> 
>> The case directory is:
>> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79
>> 
>> The run directory is:
>> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
>> 
>> Cecile
>> 
>> 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
>> Cecile Hannay 
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research 
>> email: hannay at ucar.edu 
>> phone: 303-497-1327 
>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From klindsay at ucar.edu  Mon Jun  6 11:22:45 2016
From: klindsay at ucar.edu (Keith Lindsay)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 11:22:45 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] MARBL error in 79
In-Reply-To: <EBEFAE4D-70D6-4A0D-970B-2D3574DE26AB@ucar.edu>
References: <CAAKAQ2K1zBv=RdjsNbA+_nRqN-33Q_A1Lq6QF7V8b_sJB5UBxg@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm confused. Inspecting the log files in the case's RUNDIR, I only see
MARBL errors in the most recent submission:

[klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ pwd
/glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
[klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ grep -ic marbl cesm.log.*
cesm.log.160604-032506:0
cesm.log.160604-052140:0
cesm.log.160604-143158:2155

It doesn't look like the 160604-032506 and 160604-052140 submissions are
failing because of a MARBL error.
I don't immediately see why these submissions are failing.


On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Cecile Hannay - NCAR <hannay at ucar.edu>
wrote:

> Hi Keith
> Thanks for looking at this
> Indeed, i tried to rerun and it crashed again. I also reran with a small
> perturbation and it also crashed (but with the perturbation at a different
> timestep)
> Cecile
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 6, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
> Cecile,
>
> It looks like SST's are going off the rails (dropping 15 degC in 1 day) in
> a very localized region in the low latitude western Indian Ocean and that
> this is causing fatal problems for the gas flux parameterizations in the
> ocean ecosystem.
>
> We saw something similar once in a coupled run that John Truesdale was
> doing a couple of months ago. It went away when he reran it.
>
> Please try rerunning the segment.
>
> Keith
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Our latest simulation crashes with an error in MARBL.
>>  cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe):
>> bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal):
>> error code returned from drtsafe
>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>> (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>> (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>> (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: ERROR reported from MARBL library
>>
>> It would be great if I can get some help debugging this.
>>
>> The case directory is:
>> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79
>>
>> The run directory is:
>> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
>>
>> Cecile
>>
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Cecile Hannay
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>> phone: 303-497-1327
>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Mon Jun  6 12:27:34 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 12:27:34 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] MARBL error in 79
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Good point. I have just restarted the latest part of the simulation.


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cecile Hannay
National Center for Atmospheric Research
email: hannay at ucar.edu
phone: 303-497-1327
webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> I'm confused. Inspecting the log files in the case's RUNDIR, I only see
> MARBL errors in the most recent submission:
>
> [klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ pwd
> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
> [klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ grep -ic marbl cesm.log.*
> cesm.log.160604-032506:0
> cesm.log.160604-052140:0
> cesm.log.160604-143158:2155
>
> It doesn't look like the 160604-032506 and 160604-052140 submissions are
> failing because of a MARBL error.
> I don't immediately see why these submissions are failing.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Cecile Hannay - NCAR <hannay at ucar.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Keith
>> Thanks for looking at this
>> Indeed, i tried to rerun and it crashed again. I also reran with a small
>> perturbation and it also crashed (but with the perturbation at a different
>> timestep)
>> Cecile
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Cecile,
>>
>> It looks like SST's are going off the rails (dropping 15 degC in 1 day)
>> in a very localized region in the low latitude western Indian Ocean and
>> that this is causing fatal problems for the gas flux parameterizations in
>> the ocean ecosystem.
>>
>> We saw something similar once in a coupled run that John Truesdale was
>> doing a couple of months ago. It went away when he reran it.
>>
>> Please try rerunning the segment.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Our latest simulation crashes with an error in MARBL.
>>>  cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe):
>>> bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal):
>>> error code returned from drtsafe
>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>> (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>> (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>> (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: ERROR reported from MARBL library
>>>
>>> It would be great if I can get some help debugging this.
>>>
>>> The case directory is:
>>> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79
>>>
>>> The run directory is:
>>> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
>>>
>>> Cecile
>>>
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Cecile Hannay
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>
>>>
>>
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Mon Jun  6 12:30:13 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 12:30:13 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] MARBL error in 79
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 The previous log shows that before the MARBL error it crashed in the land
I think.

  ENDRUN:BandDiagonal ERROR: dgbsv returned error code

  21: ERROR: Unknown error submitted to shr_sys_abort.

Cecile



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cecile Hannay
National Center for Atmospheric Research
email: hannay at ucar.edu
phone: 303-497-1327
webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Good point. I have just restarted the latest part of the simulation.
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> I'm confused. Inspecting the log files in the case's RUNDIR, I only see
>> MARBL errors in the most recent submission:
>>
>> [klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ pwd
>> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
>> [klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ grep -ic marbl cesm.log.*
>> cesm.log.160604-032506:0
>> cesm.log.160604-052140:0
>> cesm.log.160604-143158:2155
>>
>> It doesn't look like the 160604-032506 and 160604-052140 submissions are
>> failing because of a MARBL error.
>> I don't immediately see why these submissions are failing.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Cecile Hannay - NCAR <hannay at ucar.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Keith
>>> Thanks for looking at this
>>> Indeed, i tried to rerun and it crashed again. I also reran with a small
>>> perturbation and it also crashed (but with the perturbation at a different
>>> timestep)
>>> Cecile
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Cecile,
>>>
>>> It looks like SST's are going off the rails (dropping 15 degC in 1 day)
>>> in a very localized region in the low latitude western Indian Ocean and
>>> that this is causing fatal problems for the gas flux parameterizations in
>>> the ocean ecosystem.
>>>
>>> We saw something similar once in a coupled run that John Truesdale was
>>> doing a couple of months ago. It went away when he reran it.
>>>
>>> Please try rerunning the segment.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Our latest simulation crashes with an error in MARBL.
>>>>  cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe):
>>>> bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal):
>>>> error code returned from drtsafe
>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>> (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>> (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>> (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: ERROR reported from MARBL library
>>>>
>>>> It would be great if I can get some help debugging this.
>>>>
>>>> The case directory is:
>>>>
>>>> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79
>>>>
>>>> The run directory is:
>>>> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
>>>>
>>>> Cecile
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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From klindsay at ucar.edu  Mon Jun  6 13:19:17 2016
From: klindsay at ucar.edu (Keith Lindsay)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 13:19:17 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] MARBL error in 79
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Yes, I see that now. It looks like this error was reproducible and the
preceeding output on that task has NaN's in it. I.e.,

[klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ grep ' 21:'
/glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run/cesm.log.160604-032506
| tail -n 60
  21: index:         4212
  21: n,kl,ku,m           31           2           2           7
  21: dgbsv info:         4212           1
  21:
  21: ab matrix
  21: 1         0.0000000         0.0000000               NaN
NaN         0.0000000
  21: 2         0.0000000               NaN               NaN
-0.0266613         0.0000000
  21: 3         0.0000000        -0.0787397         1.0429107
-0.0073151         0.0000000
  21: 4         0.0000000        -0.0162494         1.0123458
-0.0043326         0.0000000
  21: 5         0.0000000        -0.0050307         1.0119058
0.0000000        -0.0192328
  21: 6         0.0000000         0.0000000               NaN
0.0000000         0.0000000
  21: 7        -0.0075732    -21768.9185062               NaN
-0.3554994         0.0000000
  21: 8         0.0000000        -0.7315273         1.6244728
-0.1775108         0.0000000
  21: 9         0.0000000        -0.2689734         1.3166589
-0.1041099         0.0000000
  21:10         0.0000000        -0.1391481         1.1814289
-0.0508827         0.0000000
  21:11         0.0000000        -0.0773190         1.0880879
-0.0276106         0.0000000
  21:12         0.0000000        -0.0372052         1.0497221
-0.0175227         0.0000000
  21:13         0.0000000        -0.0221115         1.0350875
-0.0212849         0.0000000
  21:14         0.0000000        -0.0175648         1.0429196
-0.0185440         0.0000000
  21:15         0.0000000        -0.0216346         1.0346154
-0.0140625         0.0000000
  21:16         0.0000000        -0.0160714         1.0264706
-0.0110294         0.0000000
  21:17         0.0000000        -0.0124081         1.0208978
-0.0088816         0.0000000
  21:18         0.0000000        -0.0098684         1.0169173
-0.0073052         0.0000000
  21:19         0.0000000        -0.0080357         1.0135668
-0.0051020         0.0000000
  21:20         0.0000000        -0.0062616         1.0093393
-0.0035752         0.0000000
  21:21         0.0000000        -0.0042373         1.0066323
-0.0026439         0.0000000
  21:22         0.0000000        -0.0030571         1.0049532
-0.0020344         0.0000000
  21:23         0.0000000        -0.0023093         1.0038401
-0.0016137         0.0000000
  21:24         0.0000000        -0.0018058         1.0030644
-0.0013112         0.0000000
  21:25         0.0000000        -0.0014507         1.0025021
-0.0010864         0.0000000
  21:26         0.0000000        -0.0011909         1.0017574
-0.0003200         0.0000000
  21:27         0.0000000        -0.0006709         1.0004799
-0.0000817         0.0000000
  21:28         0.0000000        -0.0001599         1.0001286
-0.0000287         0.0000000
  21:29         0.0000000        -0.0000469         1.0000476
-0.0000129         0.0000000
  21:30         0.0000000        -0.0000188         1.0000221
-0.0000068         0.0000000
  21:31         0.0000000        -0.0000092         1.0000068
0.0000000         0.0000000
  21:
  21: ENDRUN:BandDiagonal ERROR: dgbsv returned error code
  21: ERROR: Unknown error submitted to shr_sys_abort.
  21:Image              PC                Routine            Line
Source
  21:cesm.exe           00000000040BA9AD  Unknown               Unknown
Unknown
  21:cesm.exe           00000000039B16D6  shr_sys_mod_mp_sh         401
shr_sys_mod.F90
  21:cesm.exe           000000000246C4A8  abortutils_mp_end          43
abortutils.F90
  21:cesm.exe           000000000295141D  banddiagonalmod_m         210
BandDiagonalMod.F90
  21:cesm.exe           00000000027D5707  soiltemperaturemo         405
SoilTemperatureMod.F90
  21:cesm.exe           0000000002471691  clm_driver_mp_clm         530
clm_driver.F90
  21:libiomp5.so        00002B776CF42AB3  Unknown               Unknown
Unknown
  21:libiomp5.so        00002B776CF179D7  Unknown               Unknown
Unknown
  21:libiomp5.so        00002B776CF19032  Unknown               Unknown
Unknown
  21:libiomp5.so        00002B776CEECFD5  Unknown               Unknown
Unknown
  21:cesm.exe           000000000246E82F  clm_driver_mp_clm         312
clm_driver.F90
  21:cesm.exe           0000000002462379  lnd_comp_mct_mp_l         437
lnd_comp_mct.F90
  21:cesm.exe           0000000000430C1B  component_mod_mp_        1079
component_mod.F90
  21:cesm.exe           000000000041C176  cesm_comp_mod_mp_        2509
cesm_comp_mod.F90
  21:cesm.exe           00000000004309A0  MAIN__                     93
cesm_driver.F90
  21:cesm.exe           0000000000419D3E  Unknown               Unknown
Unknown
  21:libc.so.6          00002B776EF58D5D  Unknown               Unknown
Unknown
  21:cesm.exe           0000000000419C49  Unknown               Unknown
Unknown
  21:Abort(1001) on node 21 (rank 21 in comm 1140850688): application
called MPI_Abort(MPI_COMM_WORLD, 1001) - process 21
  21:INFO: 0031-306  pm_atexit: pm_exit_value is 1.

A CLM developer might have insight on what would lead to this error.

Keith

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:

>  The previous log shows that before the MARBL error it crashed in the land
> I think.
>
>   ENDRUN:BandDiagonal ERROR: dgbsv returned error code
>
>   21: ERROR: Unknown error submitted to shr_sys_abort.
>
> Cecile
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Good point. I have just restarted the latest part of the simulation.
>>
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Cecile Hannay
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>> phone: 303-497-1327
>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm confused. Inspecting the log files in the case's RUNDIR, I only see
>>> MARBL errors in the most recent submission:
>>>
>>> [klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ pwd
>>> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
>>> [klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ grep -ic marbl cesm.log.*
>>> cesm.log.160604-032506:0
>>> cesm.log.160604-052140:0
>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:2155
>>>
>>> It doesn't look like the 160604-032506 and 160604-052140 submissions are
>>> failing because of a MARBL error.
>>> I don't immediately see why these submissions are failing.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Cecile Hannay - NCAR <hannay at ucar.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Keith
>>>> Thanks for looking at this
>>>> Indeed, i tried to rerun and it crashed again. I also reran with a
>>>> small perturbation and it also crashed (but with the perturbation at a
>>>> different timestep)
>>>> Cecile
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Cecile,
>>>>
>>>> It looks like SST's are going off the rails (dropping 15 degC in 1 day)
>>>> in a very localized region in the low latitude western Indian Ocean and
>>>> that this is causing fatal problems for the gas flux parameterizations in
>>>> the ocean ecosystem.
>>>>
>>>> We saw something similar once in a coupled run that John Truesdale was
>>>> doing a couple of months ago. It went away when he reran it.
>>>>
>>>> Please try rerunning the segment.
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Our latest simulation crashes with an error in MARBL.
>>>>>  cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe):
>>>>> bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal):
>>>>> error code returned from drtsafe
>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>>> (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>>> (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>>> (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: ERROR reported from MARBL library
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be great if I can get some help debugging this.
>>>>>
>>>>> The case directory is:
>>>>>
>>>>> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79
>>>>>
>>>>> The run directory is:
>>>>> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
>>>>>
>>>>> Cecile
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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From lamar at ucar.edu  Mon Jun  6 13:20:55 2016
From: lamar at ucar.edu (Jean-Francois Lamarque)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 13:20:55 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] MARBL error in 79
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Isn't this the same error as last time?

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Yes, I see that now. It looks like this error was reproducible and the
> preceeding output on that task has NaN's in it. I.e.,
>
> [klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ grep ' 21:'
> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run/cesm.log.160604-032506
> | tail -n 60
>   21: index:         4212
>   21: n,kl,ku,m           31           2           2           7
>   21: dgbsv info:         4212           1
>   21:
>   21: ab matrix
>   21: 1         0.0000000         0.0000000
> NaN               NaN         0.0000000
>   21: 2         0.0000000               NaN               NaN
> -0.0266613         0.0000000
>   21: 3         0.0000000        -0.0787397         1.0429107
> -0.0073151         0.0000000
>   21: 4         0.0000000        -0.0162494         1.0123458
> -0.0043326         0.0000000
>   21: 5         0.0000000        -0.0050307         1.0119058
> 0.0000000        -0.0192328
>   21: 6         0.0000000         0.0000000               NaN
> 0.0000000         0.0000000
>   21: 7        -0.0075732    -21768.9185062               NaN
> -0.3554994         0.0000000
>   21: 8         0.0000000        -0.7315273         1.6244728
> -0.1775108         0.0000000
>   21: 9         0.0000000        -0.2689734         1.3166589
> -0.1041099         0.0000000
>   21:10         0.0000000        -0.1391481         1.1814289
> -0.0508827         0.0000000
>   21:11         0.0000000        -0.0773190         1.0880879
> -0.0276106         0.0000000
>   21:12         0.0000000        -0.0372052         1.0497221
> -0.0175227         0.0000000
>   21:13         0.0000000        -0.0221115         1.0350875
> -0.0212849         0.0000000
>   21:14         0.0000000        -0.0175648         1.0429196
> -0.0185440         0.0000000
>   21:15         0.0000000        -0.0216346         1.0346154
> -0.0140625         0.0000000
>   21:16         0.0000000        -0.0160714         1.0264706
> -0.0110294         0.0000000
>   21:17         0.0000000        -0.0124081         1.0208978
> -0.0088816         0.0000000
>   21:18         0.0000000        -0.0098684         1.0169173
> -0.0073052         0.0000000
>   21:19         0.0000000        -0.0080357         1.0135668
> -0.0051020         0.0000000
>   21:20         0.0000000        -0.0062616         1.0093393
> -0.0035752         0.0000000
>   21:21         0.0000000        -0.0042373         1.0066323
> -0.0026439         0.0000000
>   21:22         0.0000000        -0.0030571         1.0049532
> -0.0020344         0.0000000
>   21:23         0.0000000        -0.0023093         1.0038401
> -0.0016137         0.0000000
>   21:24         0.0000000        -0.0018058         1.0030644
> -0.0013112         0.0000000
>   21:25         0.0000000        -0.0014507         1.0025021
> -0.0010864         0.0000000
>   21:26         0.0000000        -0.0011909         1.0017574
> -0.0003200         0.0000000
>   21:27         0.0000000        -0.0006709         1.0004799
> -0.0000817         0.0000000
>   21:28         0.0000000        -0.0001599         1.0001286
> -0.0000287         0.0000000
>   21:29         0.0000000        -0.0000469         1.0000476
> -0.0000129         0.0000000
>   21:30         0.0000000        -0.0000188         1.0000221
> -0.0000068         0.0000000
>   21:31         0.0000000        -0.0000092         1.0000068
> 0.0000000         0.0000000
>   21:
>   21: ENDRUN:BandDiagonal ERROR: dgbsv returned error code
>   21: ERROR: Unknown error submitted to shr_sys_abort.
>   21:Image              PC                Routine            Line
> Source
>   21:cesm.exe           00000000040BA9AD  Unknown               Unknown
> Unknown
>   21:cesm.exe           00000000039B16D6  shr_sys_mod_mp_sh         401
> shr_sys_mod.F90
>   21:cesm.exe           000000000246C4A8  abortutils_mp_end          43
> abortutils.F90
>   21:cesm.exe           000000000295141D  banddiagonalmod_m         210
> BandDiagonalMod.F90
>   21:cesm.exe           00000000027D5707  soiltemperaturemo         405
> SoilTemperatureMod.F90
>   21:cesm.exe           0000000002471691  clm_driver_mp_clm         530
> clm_driver.F90
>   21:libiomp5.so        00002B776CF42AB3  Unknown               Unknown
> Unknown
>   21:libiomp5.so        00002B776CF179D7  Unknown               Unknown
> Unknown
>   21:libiomp5.so        00002B776CF19032  Unknown               Unknown
> Unknown
>   21:libiomp5.so        00002B776CEECFD5  Unknown               Unknown
> Unknown
>   21:cesm.exe           000000000246E82F  clm_driver_mp_clm         312
> clm_driver.F90
>   21:cesm.exe           0000000002462379  lnd_comp_mct_mp_l         437
> lnd_comp_mct.F90
>   21:cesm.exe           0000000000430C1B  component_mod_mp_        1079
> component_mod.F90
>   21:cesm.exe           000000000041C176  cesm_comp_mod_mp_        2509
> cesm_comp_mod.F90
>   21:cesm.exe           00000000004309A0  MAIN__                     93
> cesm_driver.F90
>   21:cesm.exe           0000000000419D3E  Unknown               Unknown
> Unknown
>   21:libc.so.6          00002B776EF58D5D  Unknown               Unknown
> Unknown
>   21:cesm.exe           0000000000419C49  Unknown               Unknown
> Unknown
>   21:Abort(1001) on node 21 (rank 21 in comm 1140850688): application
> called MPI_Abort(MPI_COMM_WORLD, 1001) - process 21
>   21:INFO: 0031-306  pm_atexit: pm_exit_value is 1.
>
> A CLM developer might have insight on what would lead to this error.
>
> Keith
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>>  The previous log shows that before the MARBL error it crashed in the
>> land I think.
>>
>>   ENDRUN:BandDiagonal ERROR: dgbsv returned error code
>>
>>   21: ERROR: Unknown error submitted to shr_sys_abort.
>>
>> Cecile
>>
>>
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Cecile Hannay
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>> phone: 303-497-1327
>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Good point. I have just restarted the latest part of the simulation.
>>>
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Cecile Hannay
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm confused. Inspecting the log files in the case's RUNDIR, I only see
>>>> MARBL errors in the most recent submission:
>>>>
>>>> [klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ pwd
>>>> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
>>>> [klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ grep -ic marbl cesm.log.*
>>>> cesm.log.160604-032506:0
>>>> cesm.log.160604-052140:0
>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:2155
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't look like the 160604-032506 and 160604-052140 submissions
>>>> are failing because of a MARBL error.
>>>> I don't immediately see why these submissions are failing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Cecile Hannay - NCAR <hannay at ucar.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Keith
>>>>> Thanks for looking at this
>>>>> Indeed, i tried to rerun and it crashed again. I also reran with a
>>>>> small perturbation and it also crashed (but with the perturbation at a
>>>>> different timestep)
>>>>> Cecile
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Cecile,
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like SST's are going off the rails (dropping 15 degC in 1
>>>>> day) in a very localized region in the low latitude western Indian Ocean
>>>>> and that this is causing fatal problems for the gas flux parameterizations
>>>>> in the ocean ecosystem.
>>>>>
>>>>> We saw something similar once in a coupled run that John Truesdale was
>>>>> doing a couple of months ago. It went away when he reran it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please try rerunning the segment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Our latest simulation crashes with an error in MARBL.
>>>>>>  cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe):
>>>>>> bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
>>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>>>> (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal): error code returned from drtsafe
>>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>>>> (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
>>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>>>> (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
>>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>>>> (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
>>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: ERROR reported from MARBL library
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be great if I can get some help debugging this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The case directory is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The run directory is:
>>>>>> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cecile
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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From dlawren at ucar.edu  Mon Jun  6 13:25:27 2016
From: dlawren at ucar.edu (David Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 13:25:27 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] MARBL error in 79
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Yes, this looks similar to last time and, as before, this usually indicates
that there is an unusual value coming from the atmosphere forcing that is
causing the soil temperature solution to crash.  It looks like the top
soil/snow layer.  I don't recall that we ever figured out what was wrong
the previous crash.

Dave

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Jean-Francois Lamarque <lamar at ucar.edu>
wrote:

> Isn't this the same error as last time?
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I see that now. It looks like this error was reproducible and the
>> preceeding output on that task has NaN's in it. I.e.,
>>
>> [klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ grep ' 21:'
>> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run/cesm.log.160604-032506
>> | tail -n 60
>>   21: index:         4212
>>   21: n,kl,ku,m           31           2           2           7
>>   21: dgbsv info:         4212           1
>>   21:
>>   21: ab matrix
>>   21: 1         0.0000000         0.0000000
>> NaN               NaN         0.0000000
>>   21: 2         0.0000000               NaN               NaN
>> -0.0266613         0.0000000
>>   21: 3         0.0000000        -0.0787397         1.0429107
>> -0.0073151         0.0000000
>>   21: 4         0.0000000        -0.0162494         1.0123458
>> -0.0043326         0.0000000
>>   21: 5         0.0000000        -0.0050307         1.0119058
>> 0.0000000        -0.0192328
>>   21: 6         0.0000000         0.0000000               NaN
>> 0.0000000         0.0000000
>>   21: 7        -0.0075732    -21768.9185062               NaN
>> -0.3554994         0.0000000
>>   21: 8         0.0000000        -0.7315273         1.6244728
>> -0.1775108         0.0000000
>>   21: 9         0.0000000        -0.2689734         1.3166589
>> -0.1041099         0.0000000
>>   21:10         0.0000000        -0.1391481         1.1814289
>> -0.0508827         0.0000000
>>   21:11         0.0000000        -0.0773190         1.0880879
>> -0.0276106         0.0000000
>>   21:12         0.0000000        -0.0372052         1.0497221
>> -0.0175227         0.0000000
>>   21:13         0.0000000        -0.0221115         1.0350875
>> -0.0212849         0.0000000
>>   21:14         0.0000000        -0.0175648         1.0429196
>> -0.0185440         0.0000000
>>   21:15         0.0000000        -0.0216346         1.0346154
>> -0.0140625         0.0000000
>>   21:16         0.0000000        -0.0160714         1.0264706
>> -0.0110294         0.0000000
>>   21:17         0.0000000        -0.0124081         1.0208978
>> -0.0088816         0.0000000
>>   21:18         0.0000000        -0.0098684         1.0169173
>> -0.0073052         0.0000000
>>   21:19         0.0000000        -0.0080357         1.0135668
>> -0.0051020         0.0000000
>>   21:20         0.0000000        -0.0062616         1.0093393
>> -0.0035752         0.0000000
>>   21:21         0.0000000        -0.0042373         1.0066323
>> -0.0026439         0.0000000
>>   21:22         0.0000000        -0.0030571         1.0049532
>> -0.0020344         0.0000000
>>   21:23         0.0000000        -0.0023093         1.0038401
>> -0.0016137         0.0000000
>>   21:24         0.0000000        -0.0018058         1.0030644
>> -0.0013112         0.0000000
>>   21:25         0.0000000        -0.0014507         1.0025021
>> -0.0010864         0.0000000
>>   21:26         0.0000000        -0.0011909         1.0017574
>> -0.0003200         0.0000000
>>   21:27         0.0000000        -0.0006709         1.0004799
>> -0.0000817         0.0000000
>>   21:28         0.0000000        -0.0001599         1.0001286
>> -0.0000287         0.0000000
>>   21:29         0.0000000        -0.0000469         1.0000476
>> -0.0000129         0.0000000
>>   21:30         0.0000000        -0.0000188         1.0000221
>> -0.0000068         0.0000000
>>   21:31         0.0000000        -0.0000092         1.0000068
>> 0.0000000         0.0000000
>>   21:
>>   21: ENDRUN:BandDiagonal ERROR: dgbsv returned error code
>>   21: ERROR: Unknown error submitted to shr_sys_abort.
>>   21:Image              PC                Routine            Line
>> Source
>>   21:cesm.exe           00000000040BA9AD  Unknown               Unknown
>> Unknown
>>   21:cesm.exe           00000000039B16D6  shr_sys_mod_mp_sh         401
>> shr_sys_mod.F90
>>   21:cesm.exe           000000000246C4A8  abortutils_mp_end          43
>> abortutils.F90
>>   21:cesm.exe           000000000295141D  banddiagonalmod_m         210
>> BandDiagonalMod.F90
>>   21:cesm.exe           00000000027D5707  soiltemperaturemo         405
>> SoilTemperatureMod.F90
>>   21:cesm.exe           0000000002471691  clm_driver_mp_clm         530
>> clm_driver.F90
>>   21:libiomp5.so        00002B776CF42AB3  Unknown               Unknown
>> Unknown
>>   21:libiomp5.so        00002B776CF179D7  Unknown               Unknown
>> Unknown
>>   21:libiomp5.so        00002B776CF19032  Unknown               Unknown
>> Unknown
>>   21:libiomp5.so        00002B776CEECFD5  Unknown               Unknown
>> Unknown
>>   21:cesm.exe           000000000246E82F  clm_driver_mp_clm         312
>> clm_driver.F90
>>   21:cesm.exe           0000000002462379  lnd_comp_mct_mp_l         437
>> lnd_comp_mct.F90
>>   21:cesm.exe           0000000000430C1B  component_mod_mp_        1079
>> component_mod.F90
>>   21:cesm.exe           000000000041C176  cesm_comp_mod_mp_        2509
>> cesm_comp_mod.F90
>>   21:cesm.exe           00000000004309A0  MAIN__                     93
>> cesm_driver.F90
>>   21:cesm.exe           0000000000419D3E  Unknown               Unknown
>> Unknown
>>   21:libc.so.6          00002B776EF58D5D  Unknown               Unknown
>> Unknown
>>   21:cesm.exe           0000000000419C49  Unknown               Unknown
>> Unknown
>>   21:Abort(1001) on node 21 (rank 21 in comm 1140850688): application
>> called MPI_Abort(MPI_COMM_WORLD, 1001) - process 21
>>   21:INFO: 0031-306  pm_atexit: pm_exit_value is 1.
>>
>> A CLM developer might have insight on what would lead to this error.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>  The previous log shows that before the MARBL error it crashed in the
>>> land I think.
>>>
>>>   ENDRUN:BandDiagonal ERROR: dgbsv returned error code
>>>
>>>   21: ERROR: Unknown error submitted to shr_sys_abort.
>>>
>>> Cecile
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Cecile Hannay
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good point. I have just restarted the latest part of the simulation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm confused. Inspecting the log files in the case's RUNDIR, I only
>>>>> see MARBL errors in the most recent submission:
>>>>>
>>>>> [klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ pwd
>>>>> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
>>>>> [klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ grep -ic marbl cesm.log.*
>>>>> cesm.log.160604-032506:0
>>>>> cesm.log.160604-052140:0
>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:2155
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't look like the 160604-032506 and 160604-052140 submissions
>>>>> are failing because of a MARBL error.
>>>>> I don't immediately see why these submissions are failing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Cecile Hannay - NCAR <hannay at ucar.edu
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Keith
>>>>>> Thanks for looking at this
>>>>>> Indeed, i tried to rerun and it crashed again. I also reran with a
>>>>>> small perturbation and it also crashed (but with the perturbation at a
>>>>>> different timestep)
>>>>>> Cecile
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cecile,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks like SST's are going off the rails (dropping 15 degC in 1
>>>>>> day) in a very localized region in the low latitude western Indian Ocean
>>>>>> and that this is causing fatal problems for the gas flux parameterizations
>>>>>> in the ocean ecosystem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We saw something similar once in a coupled run that John Truesdale
>>>>>> was doing a couple of months ago. It went away when he reran it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please try rerunning the segment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Our latest simulation crashes with an error in MARBL.
>>>>>>>  cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe):
>>>>>>> bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
>>>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>>>>> (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal): error code returned from drtsafe
>>>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>>>>> (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
>>>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>>>>> (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
>>>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>>>>> (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
>>>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: ERROR reported from MARBL library
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be great if I can get some help debugging this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The case directory is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The run directory is:
>>>>>>> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cecile
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>
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From klindsay at ucar.edu  Mon Jun  6 13:57:34 2016
From: klindsay at ucar.edu (Keith Lindsay)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 13:57:34 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] MARBL error in 79
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Cecile,
Your latest submission crashed with the same MARBL error messages. So it is
reproducible, unlike when John ran into this. I'll clone your case and dig
into this.
Keith

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Good point. I have just restarted the latest part of the simulation.
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> I'm confused. Inspecting the log files in the case's RUNDIR, I only see
>> MARBL errors in the most recent submission:
>>
>> [klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ pwd
>> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
>> [klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ grep -ic marbl cesm.log.*
>> cesm.log.160604-032506:0
>> cesm.log.160604-052140:0
>> cesm.log.160604-143158:2155
>>
>> It doesn't look like the 160604-032506 and 160604-052140 submissions are
>> failing because of a MARBL error.
>> I don't immediately see why these submissions are failing.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Cecile Hannay - NCAR <hannay at ucar.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Keith
>>> Thanks for looking at this
>>> Indeed, i tried to rerun and it crashed again. I also reran with a small
>>> perturbation and it also crashed (but with the perturbation at a different
>>> timestep)
>>> Cecile
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Cecile,
>>>
>>> It looks like SST's are going off the rails (dropping 15 degC in 1 day)
>>> in a very localized region in the low latitude western Indian Ocean and
>>> that this is causing fatal problems for the gas flux parameterizations in
>>> the ocean ecosystem.
>>>
>>> We saw something similar once in a coupled run that John Truesdale was
>>> doing a couple of months ago. It went away when he reran it.
>>>
>>> Please try rerunning the segment.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Our latest simulation crashes with an error in MARBL.
>>>>  cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe):
>>>> bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal):
>>>> error code returned from drtsafe
>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>> (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>> (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>> (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: ERROR reported from MARBL library
>>>>
>>>> It would be great if I can get some help debugging this.
>>>>
>>>> The case directory is:
>>>>
>>>> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79
>>>>
>>>> The run directory is:
>>>> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
>>>>
>>>> Cecile
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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From klindsay at ucar.edu  Wed Jun  8 15:26:24 2016
From: klindsay at ucar.edu (Keith Lindsay)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 15:26:24 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] MARBL error in 79
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Cecile,
Our current suspicion is that POP is getting anomalous from the wave model
which is driving very deep mixing, which creates changes in T & S that the
BGC can't cope with. We are still investigating why this occurring and what
might be done about it. In the mean time, I propose that you try rerunning
your submission with the same sort of CAM parameter perturbation that you
used to get around the land crash. I suspect that a small perturbation to
the system will change the model's path through its state space enough to
avoid this problem. We will keep investigating.
Keith

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Cecile,
> Your latest submission crashed with the same MARBL error messages. So it
> is reproducible, unlike when John ran into this. I'll clone your case and
> dig into this.
> Keith
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Good point. I have just restarted the latest part of the simulation.
>>
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Cecile Hannay
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>> phone: 303-497-1327
>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm confused. Inspecting the log files in the case's RUNDIR, I only see
>>> MARBL errors in the most recent submission:
>>>
>>> [klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ pwd
>>> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
>>> [klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ grep -ic marbl cesm.log.*
>>> cesm.log.160604-032506:0
>>> cesm.log.160604-052140:0
>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:2155
>>>
>>> It doesn't look like the 160604-032506 and 160604-052140 submissions are
>>> failing because of a MARBL error.
>>> I don't immediately see why these submissions are failing.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Cecile Hannay - NCAR <hannay at ucar.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Keith
>>>> Thanks for looking at this
>>>> Indeed, i tried to rerun and it crashed again. I also reran with a
>>>> small perturbation and it also crashed (but with the perturbation at a
>>>> different timestep)
>>>> Cecile
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Cecile,
>>>>
>>>> It looks like SST's are going off the rails (dropping 15 degC in 1 day)
>>>> in a very localized region in the low latitude western Indian Ocean and
>>>> that this is causing fatal problems for the gas flux parameterizations in
>>>> the ocean ecosystem.
>>>>
>>>> We saw something similar once in a coupled run that John Truesdale was
>>>> doing a couple of months ago. It went away when he reran it.
>>>>
>>>> Please try rerunning the segment.
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Our latest simulation crashes with an error in MARBL.
>>>>>  cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe):
>>>>> bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal):
>>>>> error code returned from drtsafe
>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>>> (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>>> (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>>> (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: ERROR reported from MARBL library
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be great if I can get some help debugging this.
>>>>>
>>>>> The case directory is:
>>>>>
>>>>> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79
>>>>>
>>>>> The run directory is:
>>>>> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
>>>>>
>>>>> Cecile
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Wed Jun  8 17:56:24 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 19:56:24 -0400
Subject: [Cesm2control] MARBL error in 79
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Hi Keith,
Thanks for looking at this. I restarted the simulation with a small
perturbation this morning. It happily ran for 9 years so far.
I keep a copy of the user_nl_cam under the name user_nl_cam_marbl_crash so
we can use it to reproduce the crash if needed.
I will keep you updated.
Cecile





++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cecile Hannay
National Center for Atmospheric Research
email: hannay at ucar.edu
phone: 303-497-1327
webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Cecile,
> Our current suspicion is that POP is getting anomalous from the wave model
> which is driving very deep mixing, which creates changes in T & S that the
> BGC can't cope with. We are still investigating why this occurring and what
> might be done about it. In the mean time, I propose that you try rerunning
> your submission with the same sort of CAM parameter perturbation that you
> used to get around the land crash. I suspect that a small perturbation to
> the system will change the model's path through its state space enough to
> avoid this problem. We will keep investigating.
> Keith
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Cecile,
>> Your latest submission crashed with the same MARBL error messages. So it
>> is reproducible, unlike when John ran into this. I'll clone your case and
>> dig into this.
>> Keith
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Good point. I have just restarted the latest part of the simulation.
>>>
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Cecile Hannay
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm confused. Inspecting the log files in the case's RUNDIR, I only see
>>>> MARBL errors in the most recent submission:
>>>>
>>>> [klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ pwd
>>>> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
>>>> [klindsay at yslogin5 run]$ grep -ic marbl cesm.log.*
>>>> cesm.log.160604-032506:0
>>>> cesm.log.160604-052140:0
>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:2155
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't look like the 160604-032506 and 160604-052140 submissions
>>>> are failing because of a MARBL error.
>>>> I don't immediately see why these submissions are failing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Cecile Hannay - NCAR <hannay at ucar.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Keith
>>>>> Thanks for looking at this
>>>>> Indeed, i tried to rerun and it crashed again. I also reran with a
>>>>> small perturbation and it also crashed (but with the perturbation at a
>>>>> different timestep)
>>>>> Cecile
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Cecile,
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like SST's are going off the rails (dropping 15 degC in 1
>>>>> day) in a very localized region in the low latitude western Indian Ocean
>>>>> and that this is causing fatal problems for the gas flux parameterizations
>>>>> in the ocean ecosystem.
>>>>>
>>>>> We saw something similar once in a coupled run that John Truesdale was
>>>>> doing a couple of months ago. It went away when he reran it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please try rerunning the segment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Our latest simulation crashes with an error in MARBL.
>>>>>>  cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe):
>>>>>> bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
>>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>>>> (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal): error code returned from drtsafe
>>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>>>> (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
>>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>>>> (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
>>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: MARBL ERROR
>>>>>> (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
>>>>>> cesm.log.160604-143158:1872: ERROR reported from MARBL library
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be great if I can get some help debugging this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The case directory is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The run directory is:
>>>>>> /glade/scratch/hannay/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/run
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cecile
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Thu Jun  9 09:15:35 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 11:15:35 -0400
Subject: [Cesm2control] "79" reached 50 years
Message-ID: <CAAKAQ2+GdDECOXD92uBAEr1HEMM54LN9VokM_Nc+1WSMN4segg@mail.gmail.com>

History files are at:
/glade/p/cesm0005/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79
If we don't have any new crash, we should have 100 years before Monday.

I am updating AMWG diags for the 50 years.

Cecile


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National Center for Atmospheric Research
email: hannay at ucar.edu
phone: 303-497-1327
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From jet at ucar.edu  Thu Jun  9 09:19:21 2016
From: jet at ucar.edu (John Truesdale)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 09:19:21 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] "79" reached 50 years
In-Reply-To: <CAAKAQ2+GdDECOXD92uBAEr1HEMM54LN9VokM_Nc+1WSMN4segg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2+GdDECOXD92uBAEr1HEMM54LN9VokM_Nc+1WSMN4segg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe61eQh2QNicWQcUreb0HTKf0oSXdx-BeSUvjAdEt=PvR==Hg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Cecile:

I'll run the ice, and ocn diagnostics and push them to your web site
as well as update the omwg page.

jt

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
> History files are at:
> /glade/p/cesm0005/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79
> If we don't have any new crash, we should have 100 years before Monday.
>
> I am updating AMWG diags for the 50 years.
>
> Cecile
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>

From hannay at ucar.edu  Thu Jun  9 09:21:51 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 11:21:51 -0400
Subject: [Cesm2control] "79" reached 50 years
In-Reply-To: <CAMe61eQh2QNicWQcUreb0HTKf0oSXdx-BeSUvjAdEt=PvR==Hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2+GdDECOXD92uBAEr1HEMM54LN9VokM_Nc+1WSMN4segg@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks. It is good if people can look at any showstopper before we extent
to 100 years.
Cecile



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cecile Hannay
National Center for Atmospheric Research
email: hannay at ucar.edu
phone: 303-497-1327
webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, John Truesdale <jet at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Hi Cecile:
>
> I'll run the ice, and ocn diagnostics and push them to your web site
> as well as update the omwg page.
>
> jt
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
> > History files are at:
> > /glade/p/cesm0005/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79
> > If we don't have any new crash, we should have 100 years before Monday.
> >
> > I am updating AMWG diags for the 50 years.
> >
> > Cecile
> >
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Cecile Hannay
> > National Center for Atmospheric Research
> > email: hannay at ucar.edu
> > phone: 303-497-1327
> > webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cesm2control mailing list
> > Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> > http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
> >
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From mholland at ucar.edu  Fri Jun 10 07:20:33 2016
From: mholland at ucar.edu (Marika Holland)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 09:20:33 -0400
Subject: [Cesm2control] "79" reached 50 years
In-Reply-To: <CAAKAQ2KnO4Mb+FfZ+zJ05unhs7mk74vMoVEtKazOWag3biEuoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2+GdDECOXD92uBAEr1HEMM54LN9VokM_Nc+1WSMN4segg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMe61eQh2QNicWQcUreb0HTKf0oSXdx-BeSUvjAdEt=PvR==Hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAKAQ2KnO4Mb+FfZ+zJ05unhs7mk74vMoVEtKazOWag3biEuoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJHuMQbcBqytet+yhEW9A2LGmUVMrVq5L1=omE9dww5AWxWN4Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm on travel and haven't looked in detail but a quick look at the sea ice
in 79 shows that in the Arctic it is very thick and extensive. The Labrador
Sea is ice covered in winter. I'm not sure if this is adversely affecting
the AMOC.

I wouldn't necessarily call this a "showstopper" but it is a concern.

Marika




On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Thanks. It is good if people can look at any showstopper before we extent
> to 100 years.
> Cecile
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, John Truesdale <jet at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi Cecile:
>>
>> I'll run the ice, and ocn diagnostics and push them to your web site
>> as well as update the omwg page.
>>
>> jt
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>> > History files are at:
>> > /glade/p/cesm0005/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79
>> > If we don't have any new crash, we should have 100 years before Monday.
>> >
>> > I am updating AMWG diags for the 50 years.
>> >
>> > Cecile
>> >
>> >
>> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> > Cecile Hannay
>> > National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> > email: hannay at ucar.edu
>> > phone: 303-497-1327
>> > webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Cesm2control mailing list
>> > Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> > http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>> >
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
>


-- 
Marika Holland
National Center for Atmospheric Research
Boulder CO
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From gokhan at ucar.edu  Fri Jun 10 08:28:37 2016
From: gokhan at ucar.edu (Gokhan Danabasoglu)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 08:28:37 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] "79" reached 50 years
In-Reply-To: <CAJHuMQbcBqytet+yhEW9A2LGmUVMrVq5L1=omE9dww5AWxWN4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2+GdDECOXD92uBAEr1HEMM54LN9VokM_Nc+1WSMN4segg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMe61eQh2QNicWQcUreb0HTKf0oSXdx-BeSUvjAdEt=PvR==Hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAKAQ2KnO4Mb+FfZ+zJ05unhs7mk74vMoVEtKazOWag3biEuoA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAM6SAh1WJwk4o3MVd5H3qgxp5oVCVeVHx1w0t+0kck6ZUs4XOA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

I have taken a quick look at the simulation #79. There is something going
on in the Labrador Sea region and it appears that we managed to completely
shut down deep water formation in the Labrador Sea!! As Marika indicated,
this is likely due to excessive sea-ice cover in this region. I suggest we
stop the simulation.

Best,
Gokhan

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 7:20 AM, Marika Holland <mholland at ucar.edu> wrote:

> I'm on travel and haven't looked in detail but a quick look at the sea ice
> in 79 shows that in the Arctic it is very thick and extensive. The Labrador
> Sea is ice covered in winter. I'm not sure if this is adversely affecting
> the AMOC.
>
> I wouldn't necessarily call this a "showstopper" but it is a concern.
>
> Marika
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Thanks. It is good if people can look at any showstopper before we extent
>> to 100 years.
>> Cecile
>>
>>
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Cecile Hannay
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>> phone: 303-497-1327
>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, John Truesdale <jet at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Cecile:
>>>
>>> I'll run the ice, and ocn diagnostics and push them to your web site
>>> as well as update the omwg page.
>>>
>>> jt
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>> > History files are at:
>>> > /glade/p/cesm0005/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79
>>> > If we don't have any new crash, we should have 100 years before Monday.
>>> >
>>> > I am updating AMWG diags for the 50 years.
>>> >
>>> > Cecile
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> > Cecile Hannay
>>> > National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>> > email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>> > phone: 303-497-1327
>>> > webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Cesm2control mailing list
>>> > Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> > http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Marika Holland
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> Boulder CO
> USA
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
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From gokhan at ucar.edu  Fri Jun 10 08:55:18 2016
From: gokhan at ucar.edu (Gokhan Danabasoglu)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 08:55:18 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] "79" reached 50 years
In-Reply-To: <CAM6SAh1WJwk4o3MVd5H3qgxp5oVCVeVHx1w0t+0kck6ZUs4XOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2+GdDECOXD92uBAEr1HEMM54LN9VokM_Nc+1WSMN4segg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMe61eQh2QNicWQcUreb0HTKf0oSXdx-BeSUvjAdEt=PvR==Hg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAKAQ2KnO4Mb+FfZ+zJ05unhs7mk74vMoVEtKazOWag3biEuoA@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear All,

Unfortunately, #66 appears to suffer from the same problem.

Best,
Gokhan

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> I have taken a quick look at the simulation #79. There is something going
> on in the Labrador Sea region and it appears that we managed to completely
> shut down deep water formation in the Labrador Sea!! As Marika indicated,
> this is likely due to excessive sea-ice cover in this region. I suggest we
> stop the simulation.
>
> Best,
> Gokhan
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 7:20 AM, Marika Holland <mholland at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> I'm on travel and haven't looked in detail but a quick look at the sea
>> ice in 79 shows that in the Arctic it is very thick and extensive. The
>> Labrador Sea is ice covered in winter. I'm not sure if this is adversely
>> affecting the AMOC.
>>
>> I wouldn't necessarily call this a "showstopper" but it is a concern.
>>
>> Marika
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks. It is good if people can look at any showstopper before we
>>> extent to 100 years.
>>> Cecile
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Cecile Hannay
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, John Truesdale <jet at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Cecile:
>>>>
>>>> I'll run the ice, and ocn diagnostics and push them to your web site
>>>> as well as update the omwg page.
>>>>
>>>> jt
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>> > History files are at:
>>>> > /glade/p/cesm0005/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79
>>>> > If we don't have any new crash, we should have 100 years before
>>>> Monday.
>>>> >
>>>> > I am updating AMWG diags for the 50 years.
>>>> >
>>>> > Cecile
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> > Cecile Hannay
>>>> > National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>> > email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>> > phone: 303-497-1327
>>>> > webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > Cesm2control mailing list
>>>> > Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>> > http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marika Holland
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> Boulder CO
>> USA
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
>
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From: mvertens at ucar.edu (Mariana Vertenstein)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:08:02 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] slides
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Mon Jun 13 06:39:09 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 06:39:09 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] MARBL error
Message-ID: <CAAKAQ2+E7ZOB0w9+NRfVWt9DvQSpqZA_4ZQyOck1xGKDWDq7Mg@mail.gmail.com>

I got another MARBL error in 79. For the time being I am restarting with a
small perturbation but we want to look at this. I don't know if thsi could
be somewhat linked to the problems we have in the Labrador Sea. We can
discuss at lunch too.

cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe): bounding
bracket for pH solution not foun
cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal):
error code returned from drtsafe
cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR
(marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR
(marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR
(ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: ERROR reported from MARBL library
cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe): bounding
bracket for pH solution not foun
cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal):
error code returned from drtsafe
cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR
(marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR
(marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR
(ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: ERROR reported from MARBL library
cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe): bounding
bracket for pH solution not foun
cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal):
error code returned from drtsafe
cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR
(marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR
(marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR
(ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: ERROR reported from MARBL library


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cecile Hannay
National Center for Atmospheric Research
email: hannay at ucar.edu
phone: 303-497-1327
webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
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From gokhan at ucar.edu  Mon Jun 13 06:54:22 2016
From: gokhan at ucar.edu (Gokhan Danabasoglu)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 06:54:22 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] MARBL error
In-Reply-To: <CAAKAQ2+E7ZOB0w9+NRfVWt9DvQSpqZA_4ZQyOck1xGKDWDq7Mg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2+E7ZOB0w9+NRfVWt9DvQSpqZA_4ZQyOck1xGKDWDq7Mg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM6SAh1u15+cfrSWXwF8oX7gNbaKVim9eQ+mBemiPJVCGpF-iA@mail.gmail.com>

Cecile,

As before, this is likely due to a couple of issues that we identified with
the WW3 model last week. There is a new version with corrections that we
think will address the problem that you report. It is being tested. I
believe this has nothing to do with the LS problem.

Best,
Gokhan

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:39 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> I got another MARBL error in 79. For the time being I am restarting with a
> small perturbation but we want to look at this. I don't know if thsi could
> be somewhat linked to the problems we have in the Labrador Sea. We can
> discuss at lunch too.
>
> cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe):
> bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
> cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal):
> error code returned from drtsafe
> cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR
> (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
> cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR
> (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
> cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR
> (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
> cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: ERROR reported from MARBL library
> cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe):
> bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
> cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal):
> error code returned from drtsafe
> cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR
> (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
> cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR
> (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
> cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR
> (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
> cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: ERROR reported from MARBL library
> cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe):
> bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
> cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal):
> error code returned from drtsafe
> cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR
> (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
> cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR
> (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
> cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR
> (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
> cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: ERROR reported from MARBL library
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
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From klindsay at ucar.edu  Mon Jun 13 07:12:22 2016
From: klindsay at ucar.edu (Keith Lindsay)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 07:12:22 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] MARBL error
In-Reply-To: <CAM6SAh1u15+cfrSWXwF8oX7gNbaKVim9eQ+mBemiPJVCGpF-iA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2+E7ZOB0w9+NRfVWt9DvQSpqZA_4ZQyOck1xGKDWDq7Mg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM6SAh1u15+cfrSWXwF8oX7gNbaKVim9eQ+mBemiPJVCGpF-iA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH=TPvb2RPn=+Q0AzVdxmEjhO_YG7TWKai4Sv=c+OT7rTauN1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Cecile,

It looks like 79 had 2 crashes last night, and the 2nd run went longer than
the first. So the output from the first is no longer available for
inspection. The 2nd crash was during model date 0089-08-13. I don't see in
the output the symptom that we've seen with the WW3 related crash, a large
change of SST in a short time. So I'm not sure why it crashes. When there's
not an obvious cause for the failure, like this, my first recommendation is
to check to see if the failure is reproducible.

Keith

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:54 AM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Cecile,
>
> As before, this is likely due to a couple of issues that we identified
> with the WW3 model last week. There is a new version with corrections that
> we think will address the problem that you report. It is being tested. I
> believe this has nothing to do with the LS problem.
>
> Best,
> Gokhan
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:39 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> I got another MARBL error in 79. For the time being I am restarting with
>> a small perturbation but we want to look at this. I don't know if thsi
>> could be somewhat linked to the problems we have in the Labrador Sea. We
>> can discuss at lunch too.
>>
>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe):
>> bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal):
>> error code returned from drtsafe
>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR
>> (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR
>> (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR
>> (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: ERROR reported from MARBL library
>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe):
>> bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal):
>> error code returned from drtsafe
>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR
>> (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR
>> (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR
>> (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: ERROR reported from MARBL library
>> cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe):
>> bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
>> cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal):
>> error code returned from drtsafe
>> cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR
>> (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
>> cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR
>> (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
>> cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR
>> (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
>> cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: ERROR reported from MARBL library
>>
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Cecile Hannay
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>> phone: 303-497-1327
>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Mon Jun 13 08:32:44 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay - NCAR)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 08:32:44 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] MARBL error
In-Reply-To: <CAH=TPvb2RPn=+Q0AzVdxmEjhO_YG7TWKai4Sv=c+OT7rTauN1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2+E7ZOB0w9+NRfVWt9DvQSpqZA_4ZQyOck1xGKDWDq7Mg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM6SAh1u15+cfrSWXwF8oX7gNbaKVim9eQ+mBemiPJVCGpF-iA@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks for looking at this. 
 Indeed, I had restarted this morning with a small perturbation (before I got your message). I don't want to lose what has been run since I restarted. suggest that for this time, i just let it go with the small perturbation
Cecile

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
> 
> Cecile,
> 
> It looks like 79 had 2 crashes last night, and the 2nd run went longer than the first. So the output from the first is no longer available for inspection. The 2nd crash was during model date 0089-08-13. I don't see in the output the symptom that we've seen with the WW3 related crash, a large change of SST in a short time. So I'm not sure why it crashes. When there's not an obvious cause for the failure, like this, my first recommendation is to check to see if the failure is reproducible.
> 
> Keith
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:54 AM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu> wrote:
>> Cecile,
>> 
>> As before, this is likely due to a couple of issues that we identified with the WW3 model last week. There is a new version with corrections that we think will address the problem that you report. It is being tested. I believe this has nothing to do with the LS problem.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Gokhan 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:39 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>> I got another MARBL error in 79. For the time being I am restarting with a small perturbation but we want to look at this. I don't know if thsi could be somewhat linked to the problems we have in the Labrador Sea. We can discuss at lunch too. 
>>> 
>>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe): bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
>>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal): error code returned from drtsafe
>>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
>>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
>>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: MARBL ERROR (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
>>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2044: ERROR reported from MARBL library
>>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe): bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
>>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal): error code returned from drtsafe
>>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
>>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
>>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: MARBL ERROR (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
>>> cesm.log.160612-202643:2024: ERROR reported from MARBL library
>>> cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::drtsafe): bounding bracket for pH solution not foun
>>> cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc::comp_htotal): error code returned from drtsafe
>>> cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR (marbl_co2calc:marbl_co2calc_surf): error code returned from comp_h
>>> cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR (marbl_mod:marbl_set_surface_forcing): error code returned from co2
>>> cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: MARBL ERROR (ecosys_driver::ecosys_driver_set_sflux()): error code returned fro
>>> cesm.log.160612-222625:2023: ERROR reported from MARBL library
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
>>> Cecile Hannay 
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research 
>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu 
>>> phone: 303-497-1327 
>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> 
>>> 
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From lamar at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 14 09:40:54 2016
From: lamar at ucar.edu (Jean-Francois Lamarque)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 09:40:54 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] slides for today
Message-ID: <CAHVtL-cWHfXjYQ_d60EguDDJLZpQ-YEmH=FqpwdJPcGo_cpxRQ@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.dropbox.com/s/y38trxve4xjlptm/20160614.pptx?dl=0

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From dlawren at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 14 11:46:10 2016
From: dlawren at ucar.edu (David Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 11:46:10 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Ice growth in 66 and 79
Message-ID: <CAGbpon+Uvr8OFL3KJye5NLG9DSpcFZgEfq9FSG_TcY833JJMww@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Bill, Keith, and I checked the maximum snow on the initial condition files
in 66 and 79.  Both of them are set correctly at 10m maximum SWE and there
is no signature of a pulse in ice runoff in the first month so it appears
unlikely that the problems seen in 66 and 79 can be attributed to a large
flux of ice water at the start of the run.

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From tilmes at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 14 11:56:35 2016
From: tilmes at ucar.edu (Simone Tilmes)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 11:56:35 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] case #62 test runs
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Hi all,

I have done two test runs, that were cloned from Ceciles 62 run at
/glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62,
her output is here:
/glade/p/cesm0005/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62

1. I changed the stratospheric aerosols from 2000 to 1850 and run for 12
years
/glade/p/cesm/chwg_dev/tilmes/cases/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001

output:/glade/scratch/tilmes/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001


2. in addition to the change of stratospheric aerosols, I changed soag from
factor 1 to factor 1.5 and run for 12 years
/glade/p/cesm/chwg_dev/tilmes/cases/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001

output:
/glade/scratch/tilmes/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001


The diagnostics between test case 1 and test case 2 are here:

https://acomstaff.acom.ucar.edu/tilmes/amwg/cesm2/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001/

Marika could you run the ice time series diagnostics based on those three
runs?

Cheers, Simone
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From mmills at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 14 13:06:29 2016
From: mmills at ucar.edu (Michael Mills)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 13:06:29 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] case #62 test runs
In-Reply-To: <CADe6QRjRfoT0_CUkbE-x4KJ2-5G194Dk9ox4UOhdSJJZyAoiPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADe6QRh_5OT2DiSYyt94JdDK3130x5PEFHVS10qx+=0n93YGpg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADe6QRhThav43=T1hpexOKH1HTeyyBEXjjQRSC1bO1f3CeEfuA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADe6QRjRfoT0_CUkbE-x4KJ2-5G194Dk9ox4UOhdSJJZyAoiPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22D34F66-AF49-4001-A457-819D8C777784@ucar.edu>

That is good news. I will hold off on my run, since it seems that Simone already has the clean comparisons we are looking for. It will be very good to see if sea ice is trending in either of her 2 runs with respect to 62.

Mike
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On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:56 AM, Simone Tilmes <tilmes at ucar.edu> wrote:

Hi all,

I have done two test runs, that were cloned from Ceciles 62 run at  /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62, her output is here:
/glade/p/cesm0005/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62

1. I changed the stratospheric aerosols from 2000 to 1850 and run for 12 years
/glade/p/cesm/chwg_dev/tilmes/cases/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001

output:/glade/scratch/tilmes/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001


2. in addition to the change of stratospheric aerosols, I changed soag from factor 1 to factor 1.5 and run for 12 years
/glade/p/cesm/chwg_dev/tilmes/cases/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001

output: /glade/scratch/tilmes/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001


The diagnostics between test case 1 and test case 2 are here:

https://acomstaff.acom.ucar.edu/tilmes/amwg/cesm2/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001/ <https://acomstaff.acom.ucar.edu/tilmes/amwg/cesm2/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001/>

Marika could you run the ice time series diagnostics based on those three runs?

Cheers, Simone
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From dbailey at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 14 13:19:53 2016
From: dbailey at ucar.edu (David Bailey)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 13:19:53 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] case #62 test runs
In-Reply-To: <CADe6QRjRfoT0_CUkbE-x4KJ2-5G194Dk9ox4UOhdSJJZyAoiPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADe6QRh_5OT2DiSYyt94JdDK3130x5PEFHVS10qx+=0n93YGpg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADe6QRhThav43=T1hpexOKH1HTeyyBEXjjQRSC1bO1f3CeEfuA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADe6QRjRfoT0_CUkbE-x4KJ2-5G194Dk9ox4UOhdSJJZyAoiPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHim588wr2tucd0LhZ3TPBtpybr3-oB9WjL1R8HKBjUHG1OApQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am running the ice diagnostics on case 1 versus the 62 control.

Dave

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Simone Tilmes <tilmes at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have done two test runs, that were cloned from Ceciles 62 run at
> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62,
> her output is here:
> /glade/p/cesm0005/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62
>
> 1. I changed the stratospheric aerosols from 2000 to 1850 and run for 12
> years
>
> /glade/p/cesm/chwg_dev/tilmes/cases/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001
>
>
> output:/glade/scratch/tilmes/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001
>
>
> 2. in addition to the change of stratospheric aerosols, I changed soag
> from factor 1 to factor 1.5 and run for 12 years
>
> /glade/p/cesm/chwg_dev/tilmes/cases/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001
>
> output:
> /glade/scratch/tilmes/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001
>
>
> The diagnostics between test case 1 and test case 2 are here:
>
>
> https://acomstaff.acom.ucar.edu/tilmes/amwg/cesm2/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001/
>
> Marika could you run the ice time series diagnostics based on those three
> runs?
>
> Cheers, Simone
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
>


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From dbailey at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 14 14:11:12 2016
From: dbailey at ucar.edu (David Bailey)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 14:11:12 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] case #62 test runs
In-Reply-To: <CADe6QRjRfoT0_CUkbE-x4KJ2-5G194Dk9ox4UOhdSJJZyAoiPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADe6QRh_5OT2DiSYyt94JdDK3130x5PEFHVS10qx+=0n93YGpg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADe6QRhThav43=T1hpexOKH1HTeyyBEXjjQRSC1bO1f3CeEfuA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADe6QRjRfoT0_CUkbE-x4KJ2-5G194Dk9ox4UOhdSJJZyAoiPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHim589vmL__SspteMRJ_ChkbeKrDJYX-j0z0UBfcwWYRggiXw@mail.gmail.com>

I have run the ice diagnostics for both of Simone's cases and at least from
these, the changes do not seem to be the problem.

http://webext.cgd.ucar.edu/B1850/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001/ice/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62/ice/yrs8-12/

http://webext.cgd.ucar.edu/B1850/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001/ice/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62/ice/yrs8-12/

Dave

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Simone Tilmes <tilmes at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have done two test runs, that were cloned from Ceciles 62 run at
> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62,
> her output is here:
> /glade/p/cesm0005/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62
>
> 1. I changed the stratospheric aerosols from 2000 to 1850 and run for 12
> years
>
> /glade/p/cesm/chwg_dev/tilmes/cases/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001
>
>
> output:/glade/scratch/tilmes/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001
>
>
> 2. in addition to the change of stratospheric aerosols, I changed soag
> from factor 1 to factor 1.5 and run for 12 years
>
> /glade/p/cesm/chwg_dev/tilmes/cases/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001
>
> output:
> /glade/scratch/tilmes/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001
>
>
> The diagnostics between test case 1 and test case 2 are here:
>
>
> https://acomstaff.acom.ucar.edu/tilmes/amwg/cesm2/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001/
>
> Marika could you run the ice time series diagnostics based on those three
> runs?
>
> Cheers, Simone
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
>


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From dbailey at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 14 15:05:58 2016
From: dbailey at ucar.edu (David Bailey)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 15:05:58 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] case #62 test runs
In-Reply-To: <CADe6QRjRfoT0_CUkbE-x4KJ2-5G194Dk9ox4UOhdSJJZyAoiPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADe6QRh_5OT2DiSYyt94JdDK3130x5PEFHVS10qx+=0n93YGpg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADe6QRhThav43=T1hpexOKH1HTeyyBEXjjQRSC1bO1f3CeEfuA@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm now thinking the CICE wrong initialization might be a possibility. We
saw very big initial transients when we started MP3 with the mushy-layer
freezing point. Since we are using the CICE initial state from run "25",
this is not consistent with the new freezing point calculation.

?I will create a clone of 79 and try re-running from the start.

Dave?

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Simone Tilmes <tilmes at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have done two test runs, that were cloned from Ceciles 62 run at
> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62,
> her output is here:
> /glade/p/cesm0005/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62
>
> 1. I changed the stratospheric aerosols from 2000 to 1850 and run for 12
> years
>
> /glade/p/cesm/chwg_dev/tilmes/cases/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001
>
>
> output:/glade/scratch/tilmes/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001
>
>
> 2. in addition to the change of stratospheric aerosols, I changed soag
> from factor 1 to factor 1.5 and run for 12 years
>
> /glade/p/cesm/chwg_dev/tilmes/cases/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001
>
> output:
> /glade/scratch/tilmes/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001
>
>
> The diagnostics between test case 1 and test case 2 are here:
>
>
> https://acomstaff.acom.ucar.edu/tilmes/amwg/cesm2/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001/
>
> Marika could you run the ice time series diagnostics based on those three
> runs?
>
> Cheers, Simone
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
>


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 email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
PO Box 3000
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From dbailey at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 14 15:11:45 2016
From: dbailey at ucar.edu (David Bailey)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 15:11:45 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] case #62 test runs
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I'm now thinking the CICE wrong initialization might be a possibility. We
saw very big initial transients when we started MP3 with the mushy-layer
freezing point. Since we are using the CICE initial state from run "25",
this is not consistent with the new freezing point calculation. Thoughts?

Dave

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Simone Tilmes <tilmes at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have done two test runs, that were cloned from Ceciles 62 run at
> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62,
> her output is here:
> /glade/p/cesm0005/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62
>
> 1. I changed the stratospheric aerosols from 2000 to 1850 and run for 12
> years
>
> /glade/p/cesm/chwg_dev/tilmes/cases/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001
>
>
> output:/glade/scratch/tilmes/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001
>
>
> 2. in addition to the change of stratospheric aerosols, I changed soag
> from factor 1 to factor 1.5 and run for 12 years
>
> /glade/p/cesm/chwg_dev/tilmes/cases/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001
>
> output:
> /glade/scratch/tilmes/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001
>
>
> The diagnostics between test case 1 and test case 2 are here:
>
>
> https://acomstaff.acom.ucar.edu/tilmes/amwg/cesm2/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001/
>
> Marika could you run the ice time series diagnostics based on those three
> runs?
>
> Cheers, Simone
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
>


-- 

David A Bailey
 email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
PO Box 3000
fax  : 303-497-1700
Boulder, CO 80307-3000
                   http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
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From mholland at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 14 15:24:46 2016
From: mholland at ucar.edu (Marika Holland)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 15:24:46 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] case #62 test runs
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Hey Dave,
I agree that an initial transient is possible with the inconsistent ice
initial state, but I'm more skeptical about the 100 year trend. With that
said though, there seems to be no obvious candidates for the cause of the
ice trends and so it might be useful to check what impact the initial ice
state has. Perhaps you could do a quick run for that? Unless it'll slow
something else down that is more critical.

Marika

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:11 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:

> I'm now thinking the CICE wrong initialization might be a possibility. We
> saw very big initial transients when we started MP3 with the mushy-layer
> freezing point. Since we are using the CICE initial state from run "25",
> this is not consistent with the new freezing point calculation. Thoughts?
>
> Dave
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Simone Tilmes <tilmes at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have done two test runs, that were cloned from Ceciles 62 run at
>> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62,
>> her output is here:
>> /glade/p/cesm0005/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62
>>
>> 1. I changed the stratospheric aerosols from 2000 to 1850 and run for 12
>> years
>>
>> /glade/p/cesm/chwg_dev/tilmes/cases/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001
>>
>>
>> output:/glade/scratch/tilmes/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001
>>
>>
>> 2. in addition to the change of stratospheric aerosols, I changed soag
>> from factor 1 to factor 1.5 and run for 12 years
>>
>> /glade/p/cesm/chwg_dev/tilmes/cases/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001
>>
>> output:
>> /glade/scratch/tilmes/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001
>>
>>
>> The diagnostics between test case 1 and test case 2 are here:
>>
>>
>> https://acomstaff.acom.ucar.edu/tilmes/amwg/cesm2/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001/
>>
>> Marika could you run the ice time series diagnostics based on those three
>> runs?
>>
>> Cheers, Simone
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> David A Bailey
>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
> PO Box 3000
> fax  : 303-497-1700
> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
>


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National Center for Atmospheric Research
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 14 15:27:57 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 15:27:57 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] case #62 test runs
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I am also doing 66 + the consistent sea-ice.
Cecile



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cecile Hannay
National Center for Atmospheric Research
email: hannay at ucar.edu
phone: 303-497-1327
webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Marika Holland <mholland at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Hey Dave,
> I agree that an initial transient is possible with the inconsistent ice
> initial state, but I'm more skeptical about the 100 year trend. With that
> said though, there seems to be no obvious candidates for the cause of the
> ice trends and so it might be useful to check what impact the initial ice
> state has. Perhaps you could do a quick run for that? Unless it'll slow
> something else down that is more critical.
>
> Marika
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:11 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> I'm now thinking the CICE wrong initialization might be a possibility. We
>> saw very big initial transients when we started MP3 with the mushy-layer
>> freezing point. Since we are using the CICE initial state from run "25",
>> this is not consistent with the new freezing point calculation. Thoughts?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Simone Tilmes <tilmes at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have done two test runs, that were cloned from Ceciles 62 run at
>>> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62,
>>> her output is here:
>>> /glade/p/cesm0005/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62
>>>
>>> 1. I changed the stratospheric aerosols from 2000 to 1850 and run for 12
>>> years
>>>
>>> /glade/p/cesm/chwg_dev/tilmes/cases/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001
>>>
>>>
>>> output:/glade/scratch/tilmes/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. in addition to the change of stratospheric aerosols, I changed soag
>>> from factor 1 to factor 1.5 and run for 12 years
>>>
>>> /glade/p/cesm/chwg_dev/tilmes/cases/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001
>>>
>>> output:
>>> /glade/scratch/tilmes/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001
>>>
>>>
>>> The diagnostics between test case 1 and test case 2 are here:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://acomstaff.acom.ucar.edu/tilmes/amwg/cesm2/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero_soa1_5.001-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.62.aero.001/
>>>
>>> Marika could you run the ice time series diagnostics based on those
>>> three runs?
>>>
>>> Cheers, Simone
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> David A Bailey
>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>> PO Box 3000
>> fax  : 303-497-1700
>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Marika Holland
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> Boulder CO
> USA
>
> _______________________________________________
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 14 17:51:58 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 17:51:58 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] this morning
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After talking to Keith and Gohkan, we are also extending 64. Keith thinks
that 64 might look fine because it has a large positive RESTOM and it is
very short. The large RESTOM may compensate the problem in the Labrador
sea. So, it might be a false positive. This is why we are extending it.

Also, I have runs in the queue trying to repeat 66 but with the right
sea-ice initial condition. It was based on this morning's discussion. The
feeling at the time was that something happened between 64 and 66.
So after talking to Jean-Francois, I had started several runs to
disentangle this.
81 = repeat 64 (to make sure no bug was introduced)
82 = 81 + hybrid from AMP3 at yr 97 (but with consistent sea-ice/ocean
initial condition)
83 = 82 + stratospheric aerosol from 1850
84 = 83 + 1.5 x soag
So basically, 84 should the same as 66 except that it has  consistent
sea-ice/ocean initial condition.
But if 64 is a false positive, the whole series 81-84 might be irrelevant
(?). I will switch these to economy.

Cecile



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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National Center for Atmospheric Research
email: hannay at ucar.edu
phone: 303-497-1327
webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
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On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Hi Keith,
> I am extending 63 to 30 years.
> Thanks
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Looking back at 64, I'm concerned that we're giving it a false pass. I
>> now notice that it is significantly out of balance, RESTOM=0.93 over years
>> 2-10. It might have a stable NH ice volume because of compensating biases.
>> For comparison, 66 has better RESTOM -0.26 over years 2-10.
>>
>> Looking back at earlier cases, 62 more convincingly avoids the NH ice
>> volume problem. It has a reasonable RESTOM, -0.04 over years 2-20 and a
>> reasonably stable NH ice volume over years 1-44.
>>
>> So the problem occurred between 62 and 66.
>>
>> The difference between 62 and 63 is 'bug fix from Chuck'. This run is 12
>> years long. The 1st attached figure shows DJF NH sea ice concentration of
>> 63 vs 62. There are indications of a the NH sea ice problem here.
>>
>> Can we extend 63 out to 30 years to better know if it has the problem?
>>
>> The difference between 63 and 64 is the 'ocean mods'. This has stable NH
>> ice volume, but it is only 10 years long, and as I mentioned above, this
>> has the problem of a large RESTOM. MP-3 also had a large initial RESTOM,
>> but it settled down (see 2nd attached figure). If 64 has the NH sea ice
>> problem, it might become evident after RESTOM settles down.
>>
>> Can we extend 64 out to 30 years to better know if it has the problem?
>>
>> These requests are based on a conversation among Gokhan, Marika, and
>> myself.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jean-Francois Lamarque <lamar at ucar.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi C?cile
>>>
>>> The snow initialization issue was cleared by Dave (see the email he sent
>>> to cesm2control).
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jean-Fran?ois
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It easy to do. I could start from 64 and put the changes one by one. It
>>>> is easy to do and if 10 years is enough, we should have this by Friday.
>>>>
>>>> The namelist differences between 64 and 66 are:
>>>>
>>>> ncdata               = '
>>>> b.e15.B1850G.f09_g16.pi_control.25.cam.i.0041-01-01-00000.nc'
>>>> ncdata               = '
>>>> b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003.cam.i.0097-01-01-00000.nc
>>>> '
>>>>
>>>>  'SOAG      ->
>>>> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/inputdata/atm/cam/chem/trop_mozart_aero/emis/
>>>> ar5_mam3_soag_surf_1850-2005_c130424.nc',
>>>> 'SOAG      ->
>>>> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/inputdata/atm/cam/chem/trop_mozart_aero/emis/
>>>> ar5_mam3_soag_1.5_surf_1850-2005_c130424.nc',
>>>>
>>>> prescribed_strataero_cycle_yr                = 2000
>>>> prescribed_strataero_cycle_yr                = 1850
>>>>
>>>> finidat_rtm = '
>>>> b.e15.B1850G.f09_g16.pi_control.25.mosart.r.0041-01-01-00000.nc'
>>>> finidat_rtm = '
>>>> b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003.mosart.r.0097-01-01-00000.nc
>>>> '
>>>>
>>>> xmlchanges  between 64 and 66 are:
>>>> <   <entry id="RUN_REFCASE"  value="b.e15.B1850G.f09_g16.pi_control.25">
>>>> >   <entry id="RUN_REFCASE"
>>>>  value="b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003">
>>>>
>>>> <   <entry id="RUN_REFDATE"  value="0041-01-01">
>>>> >   <entry id="RUN_REFDATE"  value="0097-01-01">
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When I use the initial conditions from MP3, I will change ice_ic so it
>>>> uses a consistent ice/ocean.
>>>> The initial condition from the atmosphere really won't matter. I can
>>>> use either ncdata from 64 or 66.
>>>> I am not sure what is the "potential issue with snow initialization
>>>> over land" ?
>>>>
>>>> Cecile
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Jean-Francois Lamarque <
>>>> lamar at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi C?cile and Rich
>>>>>
>>>>> a very good meeting this morning; sorry you couldn't be there.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is clearly the realization that something went wrong after 64.
>>>>> Simone will look at SOAG and Mike at stratospheric aerosols.
>>>>> But there is a clear need to redo a 64 with cleaned-up IC (potential
>>>>> issue
>>>>> with snow initialization over land, and inconsistency between ice and
>>>>> ocean.
>>>>> Also atm. is using IC from MP3, not sure that was intended). There was
>>>>> an interest
>>>>> in trying to figure out if a bug was introduced in 65 (the cursed
>>>>> simulation).  So it might be good, if it is possible, to start back
>>>>> from 64
>>>>> and start adding the features again.  I realize this is quite a few
>>>>> simulations
>>>>> but this seems necessary to identify what is causing the trend in
>>>>> sea-ice.
>>>>> Not sure how much can be done by Friday but it would be good to have
>>>>> some
>>>>> of those answered.
>>>>>
>>>>> All others, did I miss something?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jean-Fran?ois
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jean-Fran?ois Lamarque
>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>> P.O. Box 3000
>>>>> Boulder, CO 80305
>>>>> Tel: 303-4971495
>>>>> http://acd.ucar.edu/~lamar/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jean-Fran?ois Lamarque
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>> P.O. Box 3000
>>> Boulder, CO 80305
>>> Tel: 303-4971495
>>> http://acd.ucar.edu/~lamar/
>>>
>>>
>>
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From lamar at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 14 19:08:12 2016
From: lamar at ucar.edu (Jean-Francois Lamarque)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 19:08:12 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] this morning
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Cecile, based on simulations done by Simone there is no need to start a run
with strat aerosols or SOAG

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> After talking to Keith and Gohkan, we are also extending 64. Keith thinks
> that 64 might look fine because it has a large positive RESTOM and it is
> very short. The large RESTOM may compensate the problem in the Labrador
> sea. So, it might be a false positive. This is why we are extending it.
>
> Also, I have runs in the queue trying to repeat 66 but with the right
> sea-ice initial condition. It was based on this morning's discussion. The
> feeling at the time was that something happened between 64 and 66.
> So after talking to Jean-Francois, I had started several runs to
> disentangle this.
> 81 = repeat 64 (to make sure no bug was introduced)
> 82 = 81 + hybrid from AMP3 at yr 97 (but with consistent sea-ice/ocean
> initial condition)
> 83 = 82 + stratospheric aerosol from 1850
> 84 = 83 + 1.5 x soag
> So basically, 84 should the same as 66 except that it has  consistent
> sea-ice/ocean initial condition.
> But if 64 is a false positive, the whole series 81-84 might be irrelevant
> (?). I will switch these to economy.
>
> Cecile
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hannay at ucar.edu');>
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hannay at ucar.edu');>> wrote:
>
>> Hi Keith,
>> I am extending 63 to 30 years.
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Cecile Hannay
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> email: hannay at ucar.edu <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hannay at ucar.edu');>
>> phone: 303-497-1327
>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','klindsay at ucar.edu');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Looking back at 64, I'm concerned that we're giving it a false pass. I
>>> now notice that it is significantly out of balance, RESTOM=0.93 over years
>>> 2-10. It might have a stable NH ice volume because of compensating biases.
>>> For comparison, 66 has better RESTOM -0.26 over years 2-10.
>>>
>>> Looking back at earlier cases, 62 more convincingly avoids the NH ice
>>> volume problem. It has a reasonable RESTOM, -0.04 over years 2-20 and a
>>> reasonably stable NH ice volume over years 1-44.
>>>
>>> So the problem occurred between 62 and 66.
>>>
>>> The difference between 62 and 63 is 'bug fix from Chuck'. This run is 12
>>> years long. The 1st attached figure shows DJF NH sea ice concentration of
>>> 63 vs 62. There are indications of a the NH sea ice problem here.
>>>
>>> Can we extend 63 out to 30 years to better know if it has the problem?
>>>
>>> The difference between 63 and 64 is the 'ocean mods'. This has stable NH
>>> ice volume, but it is only 10 years long, and as I mentioned above, this
>>> has the problem of a large RESTOM. MP-3 also had a large initial RESTOM,
>>> but it settled down (see 2nd attached figure). If 64 has the NH sea ice
>>> problem, it might become evident after RESTOM settles down.
>>>
>>> Can we extend 64 out to 30 years to better know if it has the problem?
>>>
>>> These requests are based on a conversation among Gokhan, Marika, and
>>> myself.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jean-Francois Lamarque <lamar at ucar.edu
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lamar at ucar.edu');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi C?cile
>>>>
>>>> The snow initialization issue was cleared by Dave (see the email he
>>>> sent to cesm2control).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Jean-Fran?ois
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hannay at ucar.edu');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It easy to do. I could start from 64 and put the changes one by one.
>>>>> It is easy to do and if 10 years is enough, we should have this by Friday.
>>>>>
>>>>> The namelist differences between 64 and 66 are:
>>>>>
>>>>> ncdata               = '
>>>>> b.e15.B1850G.f09_g16.pi_control.25.cam.i.0041-01-01-00000.nc'
>>>>> ncdata               = '
>>>>> b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003.cam.i.0097-01-01-00000.nc
>>>>> '
>>>>>
>>>>>  'SOAG      ->
>>>>> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/inputdata/atm/cam/chem/trop_mozart_aero/emis/
>>>>> ar5_mam3_soag_surf_1850-2005_c130424.nc',
>>>>> 'SOAG      ->
>>>>> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/inputdata/atm/cam/chem/trop_mozart_aero/emis/
>>>>> ar5_mam3_soag_1.5_surf_1850-2005_c130424.nc',
>>>>>
>>>>> prescribed_strataero_cycle_yr                = 2000
>>>>> prescribed_strataero_cycle_yr                = 1850
>>>>>
>>>>> finidat_rtm = '
>>>>> b.e15.B1850G.f09_g16.pi_control.25.mosart.r.0041-01-01-00000.nc'
>>>>> finidat_rtm = '
>>>>> b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003.mosart.r.0097-01-01-00000.nc
>>>>> '
>>>>>
>>>>> xmlchanges  between 64 and 66 are:
>>>>> <   <entry id="RUN_REFCASE"
>>>>>  value="b.e15.B1850G.f09_g16.pi_control.25">
>>>>> >   <entry id="RUN_REFCASE"
>>>>>  value="b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003">
>>>>>
>>>>> <   <entry id="RUN_REFDATE"  value="0041-01-01">
>>>>> >   <entry id="RUN_REFDATE"  value="0097-01-01">
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When I use the initial conditions from MP3, I will change ice_ic so it
>>>>> uses a consistent ice/ocean.
>>>>> The initial condition from the atmosphere really won't matter. I can
>>>>> use either ncdata from 64 or 66.
>>>>> I am not sure what is the "potential issue with snow initialization
>>>>> over land" ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cecile
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hannay at ucar.edu');>
>>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Jean-Francois Lamarque <
>>>>> lamar at ucar.edu <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lamar at ucar.edu');>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi C?cile and Rich
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a very good meeting this morning; sorry you couldn't be there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is clearly the realization that something went wrong after 64.
>>>>>> Simone will look at SOAG and Mike at stratospheric aerosols.
>>>>>> But there is a clear need to redo a 64 with cleaned-up IC (potential
>>>>>> issue
>>>>>> with snow initialization over land, and inconsistency between ice and
>>>>>> ocean.
>>>>>> Also atm. is using IC from MP3, not sure that was intended). There
>>>>>> was an interest
>>>>>> in trying to figure out if a bug was introduced in 65 (the cursed
>>>>>> simulation).  So it might be good, if it is possible, to start back
>>>>>> from 64
>>>>>> and start adding the features again.  I realize this is quite a few
>>>>>> simulations
>>>>>> but this seems necessary to identify what is causing the trend in
>>>>>> sea-ice.
>>>>>> Not sure how much can be done by Friday but it would be good to have
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> of those answered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All others, did I miss something?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jean-Fran?ois
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jean-Fran?ois Lamarque
>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>>> P.O. Box 3000
>>>>>> Boulder, CO 80305
>>>>>> Tel: 303-4971495
>>>>>> http://acd.ucar.edu/~lamar/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jean-Fran?ois Lamarque
>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>> P.O. Box 3000
>>>> Boulder, CO 80305
>>>> Tel: 303-4971495
>>>> http://acd.ucar.edu/~lamar/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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From hannay at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 14 20:12:11 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay - NCAR)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 20:12:11 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] this morning
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I will just keep the one with consistent ice/ocean
Cecile


> On Jun 14, 2016, at 7:08 PM, Jean-Francois Lamarque <lamar at ucar.edu> wrote:
> 
> Cecile, based on simulations done by Simone there is no need to start a run with strat aerosols or SOAG
> 
>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>> After talking to Keith and Gohkan, we are also extending 64. Keith thinks that 64 might look fine because it has a large positive RESTOM and it is very short. The large RESTOM may compensate the problem in the Labrador sea. So, it might be a false positive. This is why we are extending it. 
>> 
>> Also, I have runs in the queue trying to repeat 66 but with the right sea-ice initial condition. It was based on this morning's discussion. The feeling at the time was that something happened between 64 and 66. 
>> So after talking to Jean-Francois, I had started several runs to disentangle this.
>> 81 = repeat 64 (to make sure no bug was introduced)
>> 82 = 81 + hybrid from AMP3 at yr 97 (but with consistent sea-ice/ocean initial condition)
>> 83 = 82 + stratospheric aerosol from 1850
>> 84 = 83 + 1.5 x soag 
>> So basically, 84 should the same as 66 except that it has  consistent sea-ice/ocean initial condition. 
>> But if 64 is a false positive, the whole series 81-84 might be irrelevant (?). I will switch these to economy. 
>> 
>> Cecile
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
>> Cecile Hannay 
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research 
>> email: hannay at ucar.edu 
>> phone: 303-497-1327 
>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>> Hi Keith,
>>> I am extending 63 to 30 years. 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
>>> Cecile Hannay 
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research 
>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu 
>>> phone: 303-497-1327 
>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Looking back at 64, I'm concerned that we're giving it a false pass. I now notice that it is significantly out of balance, RESTOM=0.93 over years 2-10. It might have a stable NH ice volume because of compensating biases. For comparison, 66 has better RESTOM -0.26 over years 2-10.
>>>> 
>>>> Looking back at earlier cases, 62 more convincingly avoids the NH ice volume problem. It has a reasonable RESTOM, -0.04 over years 2-20 and a reasonably stable NH ice volume over years 1-44. 
>>>> 
>>>> So the problem occurred between 62 and 66.
>>>> 
>>>> The difference between 62 and 63 is 'bug fix from Chuck'. This run is 12 years long. The 1st attached figure shows DJF NH sea ice concentration of 63 vs 62. There are indications of a the NH sea ice problem here.
>>>> 
>>>> Can we extend 63 out to 30 years to better know if it has the problem?
>>>> 
>>>> The difference between 63 and 64 is the 'ocean mods'. This has stable NH ice volume, but it is only 10 years long, and as I mentioned above, this has the problem of a large RESTOM. MP-3 also had a large initial RESTOM, but it settled down (see 2nd attached figure). If 64 has the NH sea ice problem, it might become evident after RESTOM settles down.
>>>> 
>>>> Can we extend 64 out to 30 years to better know if it has the problem?
>>>> 
>>>> These requests are based on a conversation among Gokhan, Marika, and myself.
>>>> 
>>>> Keith
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jean-Francois Lamarque <lamar at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>> Hi C?cile
>>>>> 
>>>>> The snow initialization issue was cleared by Dave (see the email he sent to cesm2control).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jean-Fran?ois
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> It easy to do. I could start from 64 and put the changes one by one. It is easy to do and if 10 years is enough, we should have this by Friday.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The namelist differences between 64 and 66 are:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ncdata               = 'b.e15.B1850G.f09_g16.pi_control.25.cam.i.0041-01-01-00000.nc'
>>>>>> ncdata               = 'b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003.cam.i.0097-01-01-00000.nc'
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  'SOAG      -> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/inputdata/atm/cam/chem/trop_mozart_aero/emis/ar5_mam3_soag_surf_1850-2005_c130424.nc',
>>>>>> 'SOAG      -> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/inputdata/atm/cam/chem/trop_mozart_aero/emis/ar5_mam3_soag_1.5_surf_1850-2005_c130424.nc',
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> prescribed_strataero_cycle_yr                = 2000
>>>>>> prescribed_strataero_cycle_yr                = 1850
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> finidat_rtm = 'b.e15.B1850G.f09_g16.pi_control.25.mosart.r.0041-01-01-00000.nc'
>>>>>> finidat_rtm = 'b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003.mosart.r.0097-01-01-00000.nc'
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> xmlchanges  between 64 and 66 are:
>>>>>> <   <entry id="RUN_REFCASE"  value="b.e15.B1850G.f09_g16.pi_control.25">
>>>>>> >   <entry id="RUN_REFCASE"  value="b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003">
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <   <entry id="RUN_REFDATE"  value="0041-01-01">
>>>>>> >   <entry id="RUN_REFDATE"  value="0097-01-01">
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When I use the initial conditions from MP3, I will change ice_ic so it uses a consistent ice/ocean. 
>>>>>> The initial condition from the atmosphere really won't matter. I can use either ncdata from 64 or 66. 
>>>>>> I am not sure what is the "potential issue with snow initialization over land" ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cecile
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
>>>>>> Cecile Hannay 
>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research 
>>>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu 
>>>>>> phone: 303-497-1327 
>>>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Jean-Francois Lamarque <lamar at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi C?cile and Rich
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> a very good meeting this morning; sorry you couldn't be there.  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There is clearly the realization that something went wrong after 64.
>>>>>>> Simone will look at SOAG and Mike at stratospheric aerosols.
>>>>>>> But there is a clear need to redo a 64 with cleaned-up IC (potential issue
>>>>>>> with snow initialization over land, and inconsistency between ice and ocean.  
>>>>>>> Also atm. is using IC from MP3, not sure that was intended). There was an interest
>>>>>>> in trying to figure out if a bug was introduced in 65 (the cursed
>>>>>>> simulation).  So it might be good, if it is possible, to start back from 64
>>>>>>> and start adding the features again.  I realize this is quite a few simulations
>>>>>>> but this seems necessary to identify what is causing the trend in sea-ice.
>>>>>>> Not sure how much can be done by Friday but it would be good to have some
>>>>>>> of those answered.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> All others, did I miss something?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jean-Fran?ois
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Jean-Fran?ois Lamarque
>>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>>>> P.O. Box 3000
>>>>>>> Boulder, CO 80305
>>>>>>> Tel: 303-4971495
>>>>>>> http://acd.ucar.edu/~lamar/
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Jean-Fran?ois Lamarque
>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>> P.O. Box 3000
>>>>> Boulder, CO 80305
>>>>> Tel: 303-4971495
>>>>> http://acd.ucar.edu/~lamar/
> 
> 
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From dbailey at ucar.edu  Wed Jun 15 09:37:04 2016
From: dbailey at ucar.edu (David Bailey)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 09:37:04 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] this morning
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As Marika and I suspected, it is not the ice initialization. The trend is
just as large with the correct ice initial state.

http://webext.cgd.ucar.edu/B1850/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79_dave/ice/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79_dave-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.79/ice/yrs4-8/line/line_avg_ANN_NH_diff.png

Dave

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Cecile Hannay - NCAR <hannay at ucar.edu>
wrote:

> I will just keep the one with consistent ice/ocean
> Cecile
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2016, at 7:08 PM, Jean-Francois Lamarque <lamar at ucar.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Cecile, based on simulations done by Simone there is no need to start a
> run with strat aerosols or SOAG
>
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> After talking to Keith and Gohkan, we are also extending 64. Keith thinks
>> that 64 might look fine because it has a large positive RESTOM and it is
>> very short. The large RESTOM may compensate the problem in the Labrador
>> sea. So, it might be a false positive. This is why we are extending it.
>>
>> Also, I have runs in the queue trying to repeat 66 but with the right
>> sea-ice initial condition. It was based on this morning's discussion. The
>> feeling at the time was that something happened between 64 and 66.
>> So after talking to Jean-Francois, I had started several runs to
>> disentangle this.
>> 81 = repeat 64 (to make sure no bug was introduced)
>> 82 = 81 + hybrid from AMP3 at yr 97 (but with consistent sea-ice/ocean
>> initial condition)
>> 83 = 82 + stratospheric aerosol from 1850
>> 84 = 83 + 1.5 x soag
>> So basically, 84 should the same as 66 except that it has  consistent
>> sea-ice/ocean initial condition.
>> But if 64 is a false positive, the whole series 81-84 might be irrelevant
>> (?). I will switch these to economy.
>>
>> Cecile
>>
>>
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Cecile Hannay
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>> phone: 303-497-1327
>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Keith,
>>> I am extending 63 to 30 years.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Cecile Hannay
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Looking back at 64, I'm concerned that we're giving it a false pass. I
>>>> now notice that it is significantly out of balance, RESTOM=0.93 over years
>>>> 2-10. It might have a stable NH ice volume because of compensating biases.
>>>> For comparison, 66 has better RESTOM -0.26 over years 2-10.
>>>>
>>>> Looking back at earlier cases, 62 more convincingly avoids the NH ice
>>>> volume problem. It has a reasonable RESTOM, -0.04 over years 2-20 and a
>>>> reasonably stable NH ice volume over years 1-44.
>>>>
>>>> So the problem occurred between 62 and 66.
>>>>
>>>> The difference between 62 and 63 is 'bug fix from Chuck'. This run is
>>>> 12 years long. The 1st attached figure shows DJF NH sea ice concentration
>>>> of 63 vs 62. There are indications of a the NH sea ice problem here.
>>>>
>>>> Can we extend 63 out to 30 years to better know if it has the problem?
>>>>
>>>> The difference between 63 and 64 is the 'ocean mods'. This has stable
>>>> NH ice volume, but it is only 10 years long, and as I mentioned above, this
>>>> has the problem of a large RESTOM. MP-3 also had a large initial RESTOM,
>>>> but it settled down (see 2nd attached figure). If 64 has the NH sea ice
>>>> problem, it might become evident after RESTOM settles down.
>>>>
>>>> Can we extend 64 out to 30 years to better know if it has the problem?
>>>>
>>>> These requests are based on a conversation among Gokhan, Marika, and
>>>> myself.
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jean-Francois Lamarque <lamar at ucar.edu
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi C?cile
>>>>>
>>>>> The snow initialization issue was cleared by Dave (see the email he
>>>>> sent to cesm2control).
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jean-Fran?ois
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It easy to do. I could start from 64 and put the changes one by one.
>>>>>> It is easy to do and if 10 years is enough, we should have this by Friday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The namelist differences between 64 and 66 are:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ncdata               = '
>>>>>> b.e15.B1850G.f09_g16.pi_control.25.cam.i.0041-01-01-00000.nc'
>>>>>> ncdata               = '
>>>>>> b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003.cam.i.0097-01-01-00000.nc
>>>>>> '
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  'SOAG      ->
>>>>>> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/inputdata/atm/cam/chem/trop_mozart_aero/emis/
>>>>>> ar5_mam3_soag_surf_1850-2005_c130424.nc',
>>>>>> 'SOAG      ->
>>>>>> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/inputdata/atm/cam/chem/trop_mozart_aero/emis/
>>>>>> ar5_mam3_soag_1.5_surf_1850-2005_c130424.nc',
>>>>>>
>>>>>> prescribed_strataero_cycle_yr                = 2000
>>>>>> prescribed_strataero_cycle_yr                = 1850
>>>>>>
>>>>>> finidat_rtm = '
>>>>>> b.e15.B1850G.f09_g16.pi_control.25.mosart.r.0041-01-01-00000.nc'
>>>>>> finidat_rtm = '
>>>>>> b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003.mosart.r.0097-01-01-00000.nc
>>>>>> '
>>>>>>
>>>>>> xmlchanges  between 64 and 66 are:
>>>>>> <   <entry id="RUN_REFCASE"
>>>>>>  value="b.e15.B1850G.f09_g16.pi_control.25">
>>>>>> >   <entry id="RUN_REFCASE"
>>>>>>  value="b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003">
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <   <entry id="RUN_REFDATE"  value="0041-01-01">
>>>>>> >   <entry id="RUN_REFDATE"  value="0097-01-01">
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I use the initial conditions from MP3, I will change ice_ic so
>>>>>> it uses a consistent ice/ocean.
>>>>>> The initial condition from the atmosphere really won't matter. I can
>>>>>> use either ncdata from 64 or 66.
>>>>>> I am not sure what is the "potential issue with snow initialization
>>>>>> over land" ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cecile
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Jean-Francois Lamarque <
>>>>>> lamar at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi C?cile and Rich
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a very good meeting this morning; sorry you couldn't be there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is clearly the realization that something went wrong after 64.
>>>>>>> Simone will look at SOAG and Mike at stratospheric aerosols.
>>>>>>> But there is a clear need to redo a 64 with cleaned-up IC (potential
>>>>>>> issue
>>>>>>> with snow initialization over land, and inconsistency between ice
>>>>>>> and ocean.
>>>>>>> Also atm. is using IC from MP3, not sure that was intended). There
>>>>>>> was an interest
>>>>>>> in trying to figure out if a bug was introduced in 65 (the cursed
>>>>>>> simulation).  So it might be good, if it is possible, to start back
>>>>>>> from 64
>>>>>>> and start adding the features again.  I realize this is quite a few
>>>>>>> simulations
>>>>>>> but this seems necessary to identify what is causing the trend in
>>>>>>> sea-ice.
>>>>>>> Not sure how much can be done by Friday but it would be good to have
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> of those answered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All others, did I miss something?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jean-Fran?ois
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>>>> P.O. Box 3000
>>>>>>> Boulder, CO 80305
>>>>>>> Tel: 303-4971495
>>>>>>> http://acd.ucar.edu/~lamar/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jean-Fran?ois Lamarque
>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>> P.O. Box 3000
>>>>> Boulder, CO 80305
>>>>> Tel: 303-4971495
>>>>> http://acd.ucar.edu/~lamar/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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From dbailey at ucar.edu  Wed Jun 15 16:14:19 2016
From: dbailey at ucar.edu (David Bailey)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:14:19 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Updated ice diagnostics for 63 and 64
Message-ID: <CAHim588yOyxUdncJAkzRWkjG4CDn6=pnPmaZRsKmb6QgYFGTdA@mail.gmail.com>

I updated these as 63 is through year 24 and 64 is through year 18. Note
the contour plots were broken in 63, but you can see the line plots. I
couldn't put 64 in the "standard" place as I didn't have write permission
there. Basically so far I don't see trends that concern me.

63:
http://webext.cgd.ucar.edu/B1850/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.63/ice/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.63-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.36/yrs1-24/

64:
http://webext.cgd.ucar.edu/B1850/ice/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.64-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.36

?Dave?

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From lamar at ucar.edu  Wed Jun 15 16:25:02 2016
From: lamar at ucar.edu (Jean-Francois Lamarque)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:25:02 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Updated ice diagnostics for 63 and 64
In-Reply-To: <CAHim588yOyxUdncJAkzRWkjG4CDn6=pnPmaZRsKmb6QgYFGTdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHim588yOyxUdncJAkzRWkjG4CDn6=pnPmaZRsKmb6QgYFGTdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHVtL-f4t7MqLcrJ-Zm6YbpXzvrvjrPVJ-9VuNBjHXNNuVOfpA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Dave.  This seems to confirm that 64 is fine.

Jean-Fran?ois

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:14 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:

> I updated these as 63 is through year 24 and 64 is through year 18. Note
> the contour plots were broken in 63, but you can see the line plots. I
> couldn't put 64 in the "standard" place as I didn't have write permission
> there. Basically so far I don't see trends that concern me.
>
> 63:
>
> http://webext.cgd.ucar.edu/B1850/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.63/ice/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.63-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.36/yrs1-24/
>
> 64:
>
> http://webext.cgd.ucar.edu/B1850/ice/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.64-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.36
>
> ?Dave?
>
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From rneale at ucar.edu  Wed Jun 15 17:20:48 2016
From: rneale at ucar.edu (Richard Neale)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:20:48 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Sea-ice problems - next steps
Message-ID: <CAOjmN4vO0X3kCjD27fO=cnkpLaQJMZ6NCNhQ5C3btrH3nis7JA@mail.gmail.com>

Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.

So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change in the
simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there were
to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most of
our changes in.

Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that leaves
either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.

So we are doing two things.
-Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean (and
probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
-Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and then
compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If you
could contribute to this that would be great.

Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
Rich


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From dbailey at ucar.edu  Wed Jun 15 17:32:47 2016
From: dbailey at ucar.edu (David Bailey)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:32:47 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Sea-ice problems - next steps
In-Reply-To: <CAOjmN4vO0X3kCjD27fO=cnkpLaQJMZ6NCNhQ5C3btrH3nis7JA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOjmN4vO0X3kCjD27fO=cnkpLaQJMZ6NCNhQ5C3btrH3nis7JA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHim58-byFp2APW5h7k2kw-qkhrJ0JgbQJMw=w_phueX8cDZhA@mail.gmail.com>

Do we know exactly what happened with 65 and how different 66 is from this?

Dave

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.
>
> So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change in the
> simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there were
> to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most of
> our changes in.
>
> Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that leaves
> either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.
>
> So we are doing two things.
> -Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean (and
> probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
> -Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and then
> compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If you
> could contribute to this that would be great.
>
> Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
> Rich
>
>
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Wed Jun 15 17:40:54 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:40:54 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Sea-ice problems - next steps
In-Reply-To: <CAHim58-byFp2APW5h7k2kw-qkhrJ0JgbQJMw=w_phueX8cDZhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOjmN4vO0X3kCjD27fO=cnkpLaQJMZ6NCNhQ5C3btrH3nis7JA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAAKAQ2JT0DEd3mbX-tWhGftwRFkE3WfLuGLm70YVV1=c99dVdw@mail.gmail.com>

65 is not part of the suite of simulations.
It was a one-off simulation to convince myself the stratospheric aerosol
were set correctly by the build namelist. It was a 1-year simulation I did
to make sure everything was working correctly.
The so-called curse simulation was 60.
Cecile



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Cecile Hannay
National Center for Atmospheric Research
email: hannay at ucar.edu
phone: 303-497-1327
webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:32 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Do we know exactly what happened with 65 and how different 66 is from this?
>
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.
>>
>> So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change in the
>> simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there were
>> to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most of
>> our changes in.
>>
>> Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that leaves
>> either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.
>>
>> So we are doing two things.
>> -Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean (and
>> probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
>> -Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and then
>> compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If you
>> could contribute to this that would be great.
>>
>> Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
>> Rich
>>
>>
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Wed Jun 15 18:07:48 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 18:07:48 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 66 but starting from Levitus
Message-ID: <CAAKAQ2+GLSvbx40=bu3KKF9g0cv9a0qtebUUSRYhuPLC9V4rBQ@mail.gmail.com>

As explained in Rich's email, we are doing a "simulation starting 66, but
from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean".

The simulation same as 66 but starting from Levitus is 85.

The case directory for 85 is at:
/glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.85

I have a few questions for the group about the setting:

Marika/Dave: When I start from Levitus, the sea-ice is the same as 66:
 ice_ic = '/glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/inputdata/ice/cice/
b.e15.B1850G.f09_g16.pi_control.25.cice.r.0041-01-01-00000.nc'
I am assuming it is ok to keep this when starting from Levitus. If not,
please let me know what you want to use.

Dave/Keith:
When starting from Levitus, I am keeping the same finidat than in 66.
Should I also keep the same finitdat_rtm ? Does it matter ?

Keith/Gohkan:
Please could yo check my namelist is still relevant when starting from
Levitus.

(Too many Dave and too many Keith. But I am sure you will figure out which
one you are).

I am submitting the simulation now. But I will stop it to make any relevant
changes if needed.

Cecile





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National Center for Atmospheric Research
email: hannay at ucar.edu
phone: 303-497-1327
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On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.
>
> So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change in the
> simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there were
> to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most of
> our changes in.
>
> Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that leaves
> either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.
>
> So we are doing two things.
> -Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean (and
> probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
> -Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and then
> compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If you
> could contribute to this that would be great.
>
> Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
> Rich
>
>
> --
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From gokhan at ucar.edu  Wed Jun 15 19:01:05 2016
From: gokhan at ucar.edu (Gokhan Danabasoglu)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 19:01:05 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Sea-ice problems - next steps
In-Reply-To: <CAAKAQ2JT0DEd3mbX-tWhGftwRFkE3WfLuGLm70YVV1=c99dVdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOjmN4vO0X3kCjD27fO=cnkpLaQJMZ6NCNhQ5C3btrH3nis7JA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHim58-byFp2APW5h7k2kw-qkhrJ0JgbQJMw=w_phueX8cDZhA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <DCD87E74-E3C9-4F28-9A87-7F31FE0680CC@ucar.edu>

Dave,
Would you be able to double check that the sea-ice model and its settings are identical in MP.3 and #66?
Best,
Gokhan

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 17:40, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
> 
> 65 is not part of the suite of simulations. 
> It was a one-off simulation to convince myself the stratospheric aerosol were set correctly by the build namelist. It was a 1-year simulation I did to make sure everything was working correctly. 
> The so-called curse simulation was 60.
> Cecile
> 
> 
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
> Cecile Hannay 
> National Center for Atmospheric Research 
> email: hannay at ucar.edu 
> phone: 303-497-1327 
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:32 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>> Do we know exactly what happened with 65 and how different 66 is from this?
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>> Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.
>>> 
>>> So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change in the simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there were to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most of our changes in.
>>> 
>>> Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that leaves either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.
>>> 
>>> So we are doing two things.
>>> -Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean (and probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
>>> -Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and then compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If you could contribute to this that would be great.
>>> 
>>> Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
>>> Rich 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>> 
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>> 
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>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>> PO Box 3000                                                             fax  : 303-497-1700
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From dbailey at ucar.edu  Wed Jun 15 19:10:55 2016
From: dbailey at ucar.edu (David Bailey)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 19:10:55 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Sea-ice problems - next steps
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Do we want the CICE to start from the default or MP3? It is currently set
up to use the default. To use the MP3 cice initial file you need to add:

ice_ic = '
b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003.cice.r.0097-01-01-00000.nc
'

Dave

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Dave,
> Would you be able to double check that the sea-ice model and its settings
> are identical in MP.3 and #66?
> Best,
> Gokhan
>
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 17:40, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
> 65 is not part of the suite of simulations.
> It was a one-off simulation to convince myself the stratospheric aerosol
> were set correctly by the build namelist. It was a 1-year simulation I did
> to make sure everything was working correctly.
> The so-called curse simulation was 60.
> Cecile
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:32 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Do we know exactly what happened with 65 and how different 66 is from
>> this?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.
>>>
>>> So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change in
>>> the simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there
>>> were to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most
>>> of our changes in.
>>>
>>> Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that leaves
>>> either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.
>>>
>>> So we are doing two things.
>>> -Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean (and
>>> probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
>>> -Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and then
>>> compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If you
>>> could contribute to this that would be great.
>>>
>>> Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
>>> Rich
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> David A Bailey
>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>> PO Box 3000
>> fax  : 303-497-1700
>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
>


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 email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
PO Box 3000
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Wed Jun 15 20:40:44 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay - NCAR)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 20:40:44 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Sea-ice problems - next steps
In-Reply-To: <CAHim58-NVrRQa7UHzB2tU0kOZVGt2iPzphDs0ZuVn+Tv-24ssg@mail.gmail.com>
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We were thinking to start from the default to be closer to 66 except if you have objections. 



> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:10 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
> 
> Do we want the CICE to start from the default or MP3? It is currently set up to use the default. To use the MP3 cice initial file you need to add:
> 
> ice_ic = 'b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003.cice.r.0097-01-01-00000.nc'
> 
> Dave
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu> wrote:
>> Dave,
>> Would you be able to double check that the sea-ice model and its settings are identical in MP.3 and #66?
>> Best,
>> Gokhan
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 17:40, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 65 is not part of the suite of simulations. 
>>> It was a one-off simulation to convince myself the stratospheric aerosol were set correctly by the build namelist. It was a 1-year simulation I did to make sure everything was working correctly. 
>>> The so-called curse simulation was 60.
>>> Cecile
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
>>> Cecile Hannay 
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research 
>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu 
>>> phone: 303-497-1327 
>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:32 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>> Do we know exactly what happened with 65 and how different 66 is from this?
>>>> 
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>> Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change in the simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there were to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most of our changes in.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that leaves either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So we are doing two things.
>>>>> -Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean (and probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
>>>>> -Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and then compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If you could contribute to this that would be great.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
>>>>> Rich 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>>>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> David A Bailey                                                        email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>>> PO Box 3000                                                             fax  : 303-497-1700
>>>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
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From dbailey at ucar.edu  Wed Jun 15 21:15:40 2016
From: dbailey at ucar.edu (David Bailey)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 21:15:40 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Sea-ice problems - next steps
In-Reply-To: <2803926B-C9DC-408D-B9C4-44F89FBDABA6@ucar.edu>
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I don't think the sea ice initialization matters, but to be most consistent
with 66 and only changing the ocean initial state makes sense to me.

Dave

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Cecile Hannay - NCAR <hannay at ucar.edu>
wrote:

> We were thinking to start from the default to be closer to 66 except if
> you have objections.
>
>
>
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:10 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
> Do we want the CICE to start from the default or MP3? It is currently set
> up to use the default. To use the MP3 cice initial file you need to add:
>
> ice_ic = '
> b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003.cice.r.0097-01-01-00000.nc
> '
>
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>> Would you be able to double check that the sea-ice model and its settings
>> are identical in MP.3 and #66?
>> Best,
>> Gokhan
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 17:40, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>> 65 is not part of the suite of simulations.
>> It was a one-off simulation to convince myself the stratospheric aerosol
>> were set correctly by the build namelist. It was a 1-year simulation I did
>> to make sure everything was working correctly.
>> The so-called curse simulation was 60.
>> Cecile
>>
>>
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Cecile Hannay
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>> phone: 303-497-1327
>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:32 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Do we know exactly what happened with 65 and how different 66 is from
>>> this?
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.
>>>>
>>>> So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change in
>>>> the simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there
>>>> were to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most
>>>> of our changes in.
>>>>
>>>> Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that leaves
>>>> either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.
>>>>
>>>> So we are doing two things.
>>>> -Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean (and
>>>> probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
>>>> -Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and then
>>>> compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If you
>>>> could contribute to this that would be great.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> David A Bailey
>>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>> PO Box 3000
>>> fax  : 303-497-1700
>>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> David A Bailey
>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
> PO Box 3000
> fax  : 303-497-1700
> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>
>


-- 

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 email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
PO Box 3000
fax  : 303-497-1700
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From mholland at ucar.edu  Wed Jun 15 22:38:51 2016
From: mholland at ucar.edu (Marika Holland)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 22:38:51 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 66 but starting from Levitus
In-Reply-To: <CAAKAQ2+GLSvbx40=bu3KKF9g0cv9a0qtebUUSRYhuPLC9V4rBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2+GLSvbx40=bu3KKF9g0cv9a0qtebUUSRYhuPLC9V4rBQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Cecile,
This should be fine for the sea ice initial condition. 
Thanks,
Marika

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
> 
> As explained in Rich's email, we are doing a "simulation starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean".
> 
> The simulation same as 66 but starting from Levitus is 85.
> 
> The case directory for 85 is at:
> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.85
> 
> I have a few questions for the group about the setting: 
> 
> Marika/Dave: When I start from Levitus, the sea-ice is the same as 66:  
>  ice_ic = '/glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/inputdata/ice/cice/b.e15.B1850G.f09_g16.pi_control.25.cice.r.0041-01-01-00000.nc'
> I am assuming it is ok to keep this when starting from Levitus. If not, please let me know what you want to use.
> 
> Dave/Keith: 
> When starting from Levitus, I am keeping the same finidat than in 66. Should I also keep the same finitdat_rtm ? Does it matter ?
> 
> Keith/Gohkan:
> Please could yo check my namelist is still relevant when starting from Levitus.
> 
> (Too many Dave and too many Keith. But I am sure you will figure out which one you are).
> 
> I am submitting the simulation now. But I will stop it to make any relevant changes if needed.
> 
> Cecile
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
> Cecile Hannay 
> National Center for Atmospheric Research 
> email: hannay at ucar.edu 
> phone: 303-497-1327 
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>> Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.
>> 
>> So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change in the simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there were to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most of our changes in.
>> 
>> Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that leaves either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.
>> 
>> So we are doing two things.
>> -Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean (and probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
>> -Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and then compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If you could contribute to this that would be great.
>> 
>> Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
>> Rich 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
> 
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From oleson at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 16 09:51:19 2016
From: oleson at ucar.edu (Keith Oleson)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 09:51:19 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 66 but starting from Levitus
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Dave L. and I think it is fine to keep the same finidat as in 66 for mosart.

Keith O.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> As explained in Rich's email, we are doing a "simulation starting 66, but
> from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean".
>
> The simulation same as 66 but starting from Levitus is 85.
>
> The case directory for 85 is at:
> /glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/runs/cesm1_5/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.85
>
> I have a few questions for the group about the setting:
>
> Marika/Dave: When I start from Levitus, the sea-ice is the same as 66:
>  ice_ic = '/glade/p/cesmdata/cseg/inputdata/ice/cice/
> b.e15.B1850G.f09_g16.pi_control.25.cice.r.0041-01-01-00000.nc'
> I am assuming it is ok to keep this when starting from Levitus. If not,
> please let me know what you want to use.
>
> Dave/Keith:
> When starting from Levitus, I am keeping the same finidat than in 66.
> Should I also keep the same finitdat_rtm ? Does it matter ?
>






>
> Keith/Gohkan:
> Please could yo check my namelist is still relevant when starting from
> Levitus.
>
> (Too many Dave and too many Keith. But I am sure you will figure out which
> one you are).
>
> I am submitting the simulation now. But I will stop it to make any
> relevant changes if needed.
>
> Cecile
>
>
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.
>>
>> So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change in the
>> simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there were
>> to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most of
>> our changes in.
>>
>> Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that leaves
>> either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.
>>
>> So we are doing two things.
>> -Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean (and
>> probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
>> -Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and then
>> compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If you
>> could contribute to this that would be great.
>>
>> Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
>> Rich
>>
>>
>> --
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
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From klindsay at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 16 10:03:38 2016
From: klindsay at ucar.edu (Keith Lindsay)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:03:38 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Sea-ice problems - next steps
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Hi,

To help myself see many cases simulatneously, I put together a few figures
(attached) of ANN (NH and LabSea) Sea Ice (volume and area) from cases: 36,
MP.3, 62, 63, 64, 66, 79

(79 is the line with large dots periodically. It shows up in the legend as
a thicker line. I haven't figured out how to easily correct this.)

A few observations:
NH volume got worse from 66 to 79. This is not reflected in the LabSea
volume.
So NH volume is not necessarily a good predictor of LabSea volume.
While large increases in either are problematic, they are not necessarily
correlated.
Looking at NH volume and area, I'm now not so sure that 62 is fine.

NH and LabSea area in 63 jump right at the end of the simulation (currently
28 years long).
It's hard to know what will occur next.

Keith

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 9:15 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:

> I don't think the sea ice initialization matters, but to be most
> consistent with 66 and only changing the ocean initial state makes sense to
> me.
>
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Cecile Hannay - NCAR <hannay at ucar.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> We were thinking to start from the default to be closer to 66 except if
>> you have objections.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:10 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Do we want the CICE to start from the default or MP3? It is currently set
>> up to use the default. To use the MP3 cice initial file you need to add:
>>
>> ice_ic = '
>> b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003.cice.r.0097-01-01-00000.nc
>> '
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dave,
>>> Would you be able to double check that the sea-ice model and its
>>> settings are identical in MP.3 and #66?
>>> Best,
>>> Gokhan
>>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 17:40, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> 65 is not part of the suite of simulations.
>>> It was a one-off simulation to convince myself the stratospheric aerosol
>>> were set correctly by the build namelist. It was a 1-year simulation I did
>>> to make sure everything was working correctly.
>>> The so-called curse simulation was 60.
>>> Cecile
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Cecile Hannay
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:32 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do we know exactly what happened with 65 and how different 66 is from
>>>> this?
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.
>>>>>
>>>>> So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change in
>>>>> the simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there
>>>>> were to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most
>>>>> of our changes in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that leaves
>>>>> either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we are doing two things.
>>>>> -Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean (and
>>>>> probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
>>>>> -Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and then
>>>>> compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If you
>>>>> could contribute to this that would be great.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
>>>>> Rich
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale
>>>>> -
>>>>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324
>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> David A Bailey
>>>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>>> PO Box 3000
>>>> fax  : 303-497-1700
>>>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> David A Bailey
>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>> PO Box 3000
>> fax  : 303-497-1700
>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> David A Bailey
>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
> PO Box 3000
> fax  : 303-497-1700
> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>
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From dlawren at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 16 10:12:11 2016
From: dlawren at ucar.edu (David Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:12:11 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Sea-ice problems - next steps
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The amplification of NH ice volume in 79 can likely be attributed to the
new land which is showing relatively higher albedos over northern high
latitudes than 66.  Separately, we are working to reduce the high latitude
albedos through parameter adjustments and/or changes to the surface
dataset.  Once we understand the problem in 66, we will be able to evaluate
the impact of land albedos on the sea ice.

Dave

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> To help myself see many cases simulatneously, I put together a few figures
> (attached) of ANN (NH and LabSea) Sea Ice (volume and area) from cases: 36,
> MP.3, 62, 63, 64, 66, 79
>
> (79 is the line with large dots periodically. It shows up in the legend as
> a thicker line. I haven't figured out how to easily correct this.)
>
> A few observations:
> NH volume got worse from 66 to 79. This is not reflected in the LabSea
> volume.
> So NH volume is not necessarily a good predictor of LabSea volume.
> While large increases in either are problematic, they are not necessarily
> correlated.
> Looking at NH volume and area, I'm now not so sure that 62 is fine.
>
> NH and LabSea area in 63 jump right at the end of the simulation
> (currently 28 years long).
> It's hard to know what will occur next.
>
> Keith
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 9:15 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> I don't think the sea ice initialization matters, but to be most
>> consistent with 66 and only changing the ocean initial state makes sense to
>> me.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Cecile Hannay - NCAR <hannay at ucar.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We were thinking to start from the default to be closer to 66 except if
>>> you have objections.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:10 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do we want the CICE to start from the default or MP3? It is currently
>>> set up to use the default. To use the MP3 cice initial file you need to add:
>>>
>>> ice_ic = '
>>> b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003.cice.r.0097-01-01-00000.nc
>>> '
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>> Would you be able to double check that the sea-ice model and its
>>>> settings are identical in MP.3 and #66?
>>>> Best,
>>>> Gokhan
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 17:40, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 65 is not part of the suite of simulations.
>>>> It was a one-off simulation to convince myself the stratospheric
>>>> aerosol were set correctly by the build namelist. It was a 1-year
>>>> simulation I did to make sure everything was working correctly.
>>>> The so-called curse simulation was 60.
>>>> Cecile
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:32 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do we know exactly what happened with 65 and how different 66 is from
>>>>> this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change in
>>>>>> the simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there
>>>>>> were to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most
>>>>>> of our changes in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that
>>>>>> leaves either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So we are doing two things.
>>>>>> -Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean (and
>>>>>> probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
>>>>>> -Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and
>>>>>> then compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If
>>>>>> you could contribute to this that would be great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
>>>>>> Rich
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR
>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324
>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> David A Bailey
>>>>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>>>> PO Box 3000
>>>>>   fax  : 303-497-1700
>>>>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> David A Bailey
>>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>> PO Box 3000
>>> fax  : 303-497-1700
>>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> David A Bailey
>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>> PO Box 3000
>> fax  : 303-497-1700
>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
>
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From dbailey at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 16 10:48:08 2016
From: dbailey at ucar.edu (David Bailey)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:48:08 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Sea-ice problems - next steps
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I just confirmed that the namelist settings the same in terms of the
physics. Both runs were initialized from year 41 of the 25 control run.
There are a few history variable changes.

In terms of the code, John's tag used cice5_20160309 and Cecile's used
cice5_20160401. The only changes here were related to optional CMIP
variables, and configure changes related to CIME changes. I do not believe
there were code differences to be concerned about.

Dave

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Dave,
> Would you be able to double check that the sea-ice model and its settings
> are identical in MP.3 and #66?
> Best,
> Gokhan
>
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 17:40, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
> 65 is not part of the suite of simulations.
> It was a one-off simulation to convince myself the stratospheric aerosol
> were set correctly by the build namelist. It was a 1-year simulation I did
> to make sure everything was working correctly.
> The so-called curse simulation was 60.
> Cecile
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:32 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Do we know exactly what happened with 65 and how different 66 is from
>> this?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.
>>>
>>> So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change in
>>> the simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there
>>> were to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most
>>> of our changes in.
>>>
>>> Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that leaves
>>> either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.
>>>
>>> So we are doing two things.
>>> -Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean (and
>>> probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
>>> -Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and then
>>> compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If you
>>> could contribute to this that would be great.
>>>
>>> Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
>>> Rich
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> David A Bailey
>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>> PO Box 3000
>> fax  : 303-497-1700
>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
>


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 email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
PO Box 3000
fax  : 303-497-1700
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From jet at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 16 11:26:25 2016
From: jet at ucar.edu (John Truesdale)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:26:25 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Sea-ice problems - next steps
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I've looked at the changes to POP between 66 and MP3.  From my end
there is the new Estuary parameterization which is off by default and
bfb. There are more extensive BGC changes which seem to be mostly
refactoring but I'll let Mike or Keith comment. Here are the relevant
xxdiff lines.

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On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:48 AM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
> I just confirmed that the namelist settings the same in terms of the
> physics. Both runs were initialized from year 41 of the 25 control run.
> There are a few history variable changes.
>
> In terms of the code, John's tag used cice5_20160309 and Cecile's used
> cice5_20160401. The only changes here were related to optional CMIP
> variables, and configure changes related to CIME changes. I do not believe
> there were code differences to be concerned about.
>
> Dave
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Dave,
>> Would you be able to double check that the sea-ice model and its settings
>> are identical in MP.3 and #66?
>> Best,
>> Gokhan
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 17:40, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>> 65 is not part of the suite of simulations.
>> It was a one-off simulation to convince myself the stratospheric aerosol
>> were set correctly by the build namelist. It was a 1-year simulation I did
>> to make sure everything was working correctly.
>> The so-called curse simulation was 60.
>> Cecile
>>
>>
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Cecile Hannay
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>> phone: 303-497-1327
>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:32 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do we know exactly what happened with 65 and how different 66 is from
>>> this?
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.
>>>>
>>>> So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change in
>>>> the simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there
>>>> were to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most
>>>> of our changes in.
>>>>
>>>> Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that leaves
>>>> either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.
>>>>
>>>> So we are doing two things.
>>>> -Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean (and
>>>> probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
>>>> -Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and then
>>>> compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If you
>>>> could contribute to this that would be great.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>> email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
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>>> PO Box 3000
>>> fax  : 303-497-1700
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>
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From rneale at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 16 11:31:22 2016
From: rneale at ucar.edu (Richard Neale)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:31:22 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Sea-ice problems - next steps
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The most interesting thing to my untrained eyes is that NH ice volume
increases immediately in situ. for the most part (esp. 79) whereas ice
extent takes a a couple of decades to start separating from the pack.
So the different response must initially be arctic wide. I cannot find
anything on the atmospheric side that is a step change between 64 and 66.

Are there any diags. from the coupler that show how much water is being
exchanging between ocean/ice under the Arctic?

Rich


On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> To help myself see many cases simulatneously, I put together a few figures
> (attached) of ANN (NH and LabSea) Sea Ice (volume and area) from cases: 36,
> MP.3, 62, 63, 64, 66, 79
>
> (79 is the line with large dots periodically. It shows up in the legend as
> a thicker line. I haven't figured out how to easily correct this.)
>
> A few observations:
> NH volume got worse from 66 to 79. This is not reflected in the LabSea
> volume.
> So NH volume is not necessarily a good predictor of LabSea volume.
> While large increases in either are problematic, they are not necessarily
> correlated.
> Looking at NH volume and area, I'm now not so sure that 62 is fine.
>
> NH and LabSea area in 63 jump right at the end of the simulation
> (currently 28 years long).
> It's hard to know what will occur next.
>
> Keith
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 9:15 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> I don't think the sea ice initialization matters, but to be most
>> consistent with 66 and only changing the ocean initial state makes sense to
>> me.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Cecile Hannay - NCAR <hannay at ucar.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We were thinking to start from the default to be closer to 66 except if
>>> you have objections.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:10 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do we want the CICE to start from the default or MP3? It is currently
>>> set up to use the default. To use the MP3 cice initial file you need to add:
>>>
>>> ice_ic = '
>>> b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003.cice.r.0097-01-01-00000.nc
>>> '
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>> Would you be able to double check that the sea-ice model and its
>>>> settings are identical in MP.3 and #66?
>>>> Best,
>>>> Gokhan
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 17:40, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 65 is not part of the suite of simulations.
>>>> It was a one-off simulation to convince myself the stratospheric
>>>> aerosol were set correctly by the build namelist. It was a 1-year
>>>> simulation I did to make sure everything was working correctly.
>>>> The so-called curse simulation was 60.
>>>> Cecile
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:32 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do we know exactly what happened with 65 and how different 66 is from
>>>>> this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change in
>>>>>> the simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there
>>>>>> were to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most
>>>>>> of our changes in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that
>>>>>> leaves either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So we are doing two things.
>>>>>> -Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean (and
>>>>>> probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
>>>>>> -Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and
>>>>>> then compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If
>>>>>> you could contribute to this that would be great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
>>>>>> Rich
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR
>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324
>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> David A Bailey
>>>>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>>>> PO Box 3000
>>>>>   fax  : 303-497-1700
>>>>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>>>>
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>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> David A Bailey
>>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>> PO Box 3000
>>> fax  : 303-497-1700
>>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> David A Bailey
>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>> PO Box 3000
>> fax  : 303-497-1700
>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>
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>>
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From klindsay at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 16 16:13:32 2016
From: klindsay at ucar.edu (Keith Lindsay)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:13:32 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Sea-ice problems - next steps
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Hi,

Before 85 and 86, the most recent case that started from Levitus was 32.
I've added it to the attached sea ice timeseries plots. It is the red line
with dots, and the thick red line in the legend.

The Lab Sea quantities have large transients in 32. Lab Sea ice volume goes
up for ~30 years, looking like 66 and 79, but then goes down to behave like
36 and MP.3 over longer timescales.

I think it will be hard to evaluate 85 and 86, the new cases that are being
initialized with Levitus in the ocean, unless they are run out for a long
time.

Keith

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:

> The most interesting thing to my untrained eyes is that NH ice volume
> increases immediately in situ. for the most part (esp. 79) whereas ice
> extent takes a a couple of decades to start separating from the pack.
> So the different response must initially be arctic wide. I cannot find
> anything on the atmospheric side that is a step change between 64 and 66.
>
> Are there any diags. from the coupler that show how much water is being
> exchanging between ocean/ice under the Arctic?
>
> Rich
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> To help myself see many cases simulatneously, I put together a few
>> figures (attached) of ANN (NH and LabSea) Sea Ice (volume and area) from
>> cases: 36, MP.3, 62, 63, 64, 66, 79
>>
>> (79 is the line with large dots periodically. It shows up in the legend
>> as a thicker line. I haven't figured out how to easily correct this.)
>>
>> A few observations:
>> NH volume got worse from 66 to 79. This is not reflected in the LabSea
>> volume.
>> So NH volume is not necessarily a good predictor of LabSea volume.
>> While large increases in either are problematic, they are not necessarily
>> correlated.
>> Looking at NH volume and area, I'm now not so sure that 62 is fine.
>>
>> NH and LabSea area in 63 jump right at the end of the simulation
>> (currently 28 years long).
>> It's hard to know what will occur next.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 9:15 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think the sea ice initialization matters, but to be most
>>> consistent with 66 and only changing the ocean initial state makes sense to
>>> me.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Cecile Hannay - NCAR <hannay at ucar.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We were thinking to start from the default to be closer to 66 except if
>>>> you have objections.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:10 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Do we want the CICE to start from the default or MP3? It is currently
>>>> set up to use the default. To use the MP3 cice initial file you need to add:
>>>>
>>>> ice_ic = '
>>>> b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003.cice.r.0097-01-01-00000.nc
>>>> '
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dave,
>>>>> Would you be able to double check that the sea-ice model and its
>>>>> settings are identical in MP.3 and #66?
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Gokhan
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 17:40, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 65 is not part of the suite of simulations.
>>>>> It was a one-off simulation to convince myself the stratospheric
>>>>> aerosol were set correctly by the build namelist. It was a 1-year
>>>>> simulation I did to make sure everything was working correctly.
>>>>> The so-called curse simulation was 60.
>>>>> Cecile
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:32 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do we know exactly what happened with 65 and how different 66 is from
>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change
>>>>>>> in the simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there
>>>>>>> were to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most
>>>>>>> of our changes in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that
>>>>>>> leaves either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So we are doing two things.
>>>>>>> -Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean (and
>>>>>>> probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
>>>>>>> -Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and
>>>>>>> then compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If
>>>>>>> you could contribute to this that would be great.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
>>>>>>> Rich
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu -
>>>>>>> http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>>>>>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR
>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324
>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David A Bailey
>>>>>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>>>>> PO Box 3000
>>>>>>   fax  : 303-497-1700
>>>>>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>>>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> David A Bailey
>>>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>>> PO Box 3000
>>>> fax  : 303-497-1700
>>>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> David A Bailey
>>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>> PO Box 3000
>>> fax  : 303-497-1700
>>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>>
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 16 16:17:28 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:17:28 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Sea-ice problems - next steps
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Thanks, Keith.
In your plot, it takes at least 60 years to see that 32 is fine.
So, it is likely it will hard to conclude anything on a short 85.
Starting from Levitus requires quite a bit of spinup.


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cecile Hannay
National Center for Atmospheric Research
email: hannay at ucar.edu
phone: 303-497-1327
webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Before 85 and 86, the most recent case that started from Levitus was 32.
> I've added it to the attached sea ice timeseries plots. It is the red line
> with dots, and the thick red line in the legend.
>
> The Lab Sea quantities have large transients in 32. Lab Sea ice volume
> goes up for ~30 years, looking like 66 and 79, but then goes down to behave
> like 36 and MP.3 over longer timescales.
>
> I think it will be hard to evaluate 85 and 86, the new cases that are
> being initialized with Levitus in the ocean, unless they are run out for a
> long time.
>
> Keith
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> The most interesting thing to my untrained eyes is that NH ice volume
>> increases immediately in situ. for the most part (esp. 79) whereas ice
>> extent takes a a couple of decades to start separating from the pack.
>> So the different response must initially be arctic wide. I cannot find
>> anything on the atmospheric side that is a step change between 64 and 66.
>>
>> Are there any diags. from the coupler that show how much water is being
>> exchanging between ocean/ice under the Arctic?
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> To help myself see many cases simulatneously, I put together a few
>>> figures (attached) of ANN (NH and LabSea) Sea Ice (volume and area) from
>>> cases: 36, MP.3, 62, 63, 64, 66, 79
>>>
>>> (79 is the line with large dots periodically. It shows up in the legend
>>> as a thicker line. I haven't figured out how to easily correct this.)
>>>
>>> A few observations:
>>> NH volume got worse from 66 to 79. This is not reflected in the LabSea
>>> volume.
>>> So NH volume is not necessarily a good predictor of LabSea volume.
>>> While large increases in either are problematic, they are not
>>> necessarily correlated.
>>> Looking at NH volume and area, I'm now not so sure that 62 is fine.
>>>
>>> NH and LabSea area in 63 jump right at the end of the simulation
>>> (currently 28 years long).
>>> It's hard to know what will occur next.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 9:15 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't think the sea ice initialization matters, but to be most
>>>> consistent with 66 and only changing the ocean initial state makes sense to
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Cecile Hannay - NCAR <hannay at ucar.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We were thinking to start from the default to be closer to 66 except
>>>>> if you have objections.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:10 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Do we want the CICE to start from the default or MP3? It is currently
>>>>> set up to use the default. To use the MP3 cice initial file you need to add:
>>>>>
>>>>> ice_ic = '
>>>>> b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003.cice.r.0097-01-01-00000.nc
>>>>> '
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>> Would you be able to double check that the sea-ice model and its
>>>>>> settings are identical in MP.3 and #66?
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Gokhan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 17:40, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 65 is not part of the suite of simulations.
>>>>>> It was a one-off simulation to convince myself the stratospheric
>>>>>> aerosol were set correctly by the build namelist. It was a 1-year
>>>>>> simulation I did to make sure everything was working correctly.
>>>>>> The so-called curse simulation was 60.
>>>>>> Cecile
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:32 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do we know exactly what happened with 65 and how different 66 is
>>>>>>> from this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change
>>>>>>>> in the simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there
>>>>>>>> were to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most
>>>>>>>> of our changes in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that
>>>>>>>> leaves either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So we are doing two things.
>>>>>>>> -Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean
>>>>>>>> (and probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
>>>>>>>> -Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and
>>>>>>>> then compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If
>>>>>>>> you could contribute to this that would be great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
>>>>>>>> Rich
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu -
>>>>>>>> http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>>>>>>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR
>>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324
>>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David A Bailey
>>>>>>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>>>>>> PO Box 3000
>>>>>>>     fax  : 303-497-1700
>>>>>>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>>>>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> David A Bailey
>>>>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>>>> PO Box 3000
>>>>>   fax  : 303-497-1700
>>>>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> David A Bailey
>>>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>>> PO Box 3000
>>>> fax  : 303-497-1700
>>>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
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>>>>
>>>
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>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>
>>
>
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From rneale at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 16 16:19:34 2016
From: rneale at ucar.edu (Richard Neale)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:19:34 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Sea-ice problems - next steps
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I think the saving grace for this is that the 32 equilibrium condition is
for ice volumes much higher than that for pre-66 runs and much higher than
its initial condition. Hopefully, this may help us.
Rich

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Before 85 and 86, the most recent case that started from Levitus was 32.
> I've added it to the attached sea ice timeseries plots. It is the red line
> with dots, and the thick red line in the legend.
>
> The Lab Sea quantities have large transients in 32. Lab Sea ice volume
> goes up for ~30 years, looking like 66 and 79, but then goes down to behave
> like 36 and MP.3 over longer timescales.
>
> I think it will be hard to evaluate 85 and 86, the new cases that are
> being initialized with Levitus in the ocean, unless they are run out for a
> long time.
>
> Keith
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> The most interesting thing to my untrained eyes is that NH ice volume
>> increases immediately in situ. for the most part (esp. 79) whereas ice
>> extent takes a a couple of decades to start separating from the pack.
>> So the different response must initially be arctic wide. I cannot find
>> anything on the atmospheric side that is a step change between 64 and 66.
>>
>> Are there any diags. from the coupler that show how much water is being
>> exchanging between ocean/ice under the Arctic?
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> To help myself see many cases simulatneously, I put together a few
>>> figures (attached) of ANN (NH and LabSea) Sea Ice (volume and area) from
>>> cases: 36, MP.3, 62, 63, 64, 66, 79
>>>
>>> (79 is the line with large dots periodically. It shows up in the legend
>>> as a thicker line. I haven't figured out how to easily correct this.)
>>>
>>> A few observations:
>>> NH volume got worse from 66 to 79. This is not reflected in the LabSea
>>> volume.
>>> So NH volume is not necessarily a good predictor of LabSea volume.
>>> While large increases in either are problematic, they are not
>>> necessarily correlated.
>>> Looking at NH volume and area, I'm now not so sure that 62 is fine.
>>>
>>> NH and LabSea area in 63 jump right at the end of the simulation
>>> (currently 28 years long).
>>> It's hard to know what will occur next.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 9:15 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't think the sea ice initialization matters, but to be most
>>>> consistent with 66 and only changing the ocean initial state makes sense to
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Cecile Hannay - NCAR <hannay at ucar.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We were thinking to start from the default to be closer to 66 except
>>>>> if you have objections.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:10 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Do we want the CICE to start from the default or MP3? It is currently
>>>>> set up to use the default. To use the MP3 cice initial file you need to add:
>>>>>
>>>>> ice_ic = '
>>>>> b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003.cice.r.0097-01-01-00000.nc
>>>>> '
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>> Would you be able to double check that the sea-ice model and its
>>>>>> settings are identical in MP.3 and #66?
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Gokhan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 17:40, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 65 is not part of the suite of simulations.
>>>>>> It was a one-off simulation to convince myself the stratospheric
>>>>>> aerosol were set correctly by the build namelist. It was a 1-year
>>>>>> simulation I did to make sure everything was working correctly.
>>>>>> The so-called curse simulation was 60.
>>>>>> Cecile
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:32 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do we know exactly what happened with 65 and how different 66 is
>>>>>>> from this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change
>>>>>>>> in the simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there
>>>>>>>> were to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most
>>>>>>>> of our changes in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that
>>>>>>>> leaves either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So we are doing two things.
>>>>>>>> -Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean
>>>>>>>> (and probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
>>>>>>>> -Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and
>>>>>>>> then compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If
>>>>>>>> you could contribute to this that would be great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
>>>>>>>> Rich
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu -
>>>>>>>> http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>>>>>>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR
>>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324
>>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David A Bailey
>>>>>>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>>>>>> PO Box 3000
>>>>>>>     fax  : 303-497-1700
>>>>>>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>>>>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> David A Bailey
>>>>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>>>> PO Box 3000
>>>>>   fax  : 303-497-1700
>>>>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> David A Bailey
>>>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>>> PO Box 3000
>>>> fax  : 303-497-1700
>>>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>>>>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
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>>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>
>>
>


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From lamar at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 16 16:24:06 2016
From: lamar at ucar.edu (Jean-Francois Lamarque)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:24:06 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Sea-ice problems - next steps
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How about starting from the beginning of MP3 instead of Levitus?

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Thanks, Keith.
> In your plot, it takes at least 60 years to see that 32 is fine.
> So, it is likely it will hard to conclude anything on a short 85.
> Starting from Levitus requires quite a bit of spinup.
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
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>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Before 85 and 86, the most recent case that started from Levitus was 32.
>> I've added it to the attached sea ice timeseries plots. It is the red line
>> with dots, and the thick red line in the legend.
>>
>> The Lab Sea quantities have large transients in 32. Lab Sea ice volume
>> goes up for ~30 years, looking like 66 and 79, but then goes down to behave
>> like 36 and MP.3 over longer timescales.
>>
>> I think it will be hard to evaluate 85 and 86, the new cases that are
>> being initialized with Levitus in the ocean, unless they are run out for a
>> long time.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> The most interesting thing to my untrained eyes is that NH ice volume
>>> increases immediately in situ. for the most part (esp. 79) whereas ice
>>> extent takes a a couple of decades to start separating from the pack.
>>> So the different response must initially be arctic wide. I cannot find
>>> anything on the atmospheric side that is a step change between 64 and 66.
>>>
>>> Are there any diags. from the coupler that show how much water is being
>>> exchanging between ocean/ice under the Arctic?
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> To help myself see many cases simulatneously, I put together a few
>>>> figures (attached) of ANN (NH and LabSea) Sea Ice (volume and area) from
>>>> cases: 36, MP.3, 62, 63, 64, 66, 79
>>>>
>>>> (79 is the line with large dots periodically. It shows up in the legend
>>>> as a thicker line. I haven't figured out how to easily correct this.)
>>>>
>>>> A few observations:
>>>> NH volume got worse from 66 to 79. This is not reflected in the LabSea
>>>> volume.
>>>> So NH volume is not necessarily a good predictor of LabSea volume.
>>>> While large increases in either are problematic, they are not
>>>> necessarily correlated.
>>>> Looking at NH volume and area, I'm now not so sure that 62 is fine.
>>>>
>>>> NH and LabSea area in 63 jump right at the end of the simulation
>>>> (currently 28 years long).
>>>> It's hard to know what will occur next.
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 9:15 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think the sea ice initialization matters, but to be most
>>>>> consistent with 66 and only changing the ocean initial state makes sense to
>>>>> me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Cecile Hannay - NCAR <hannay at ucar.edu
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We were thinking to start from the default to be closer to 66 except
>>>>>> if you have objections.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:10 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do we want the CICE to start from the default or MP3? It is currently
>>>>>> set up to use the default. To use the MP3 cice initial file you need to add:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ice_ic = '
>>>>>> b.e15.B1850_WW3.f09_g16.lang_redi_2hr_frz_chl.003.cice.r.0097-01-01-00000.nc
>>>>>> '
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>>> Would you be able to double check that the sea-ice model and its
>>>>>>> settings are identical in MP.3 and #66?
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Gokhan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 17:40, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 65 is not part of the suite of simulations.
>>>>>>> It was a one-off simulation to convince myself the stratospheric
>>>>>>> aerosol were set correctly by the build namelist. It was a 1-year
>>>>>>> simulation I did to make sure everything was working correctly.
>>>>>>> The so-called curse simulation was 60.
>>>>>>> Cecile
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:32 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do we know exactly what happened with 65 and how different 66 is
>>>>>>>> from this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just kind of recording stuff for record after some conversations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So from the atmospheric side there is no radiation or other change
>>>>>>>>> in the simulations 61-66 that could explain the sea-ice increases. If there
>>>>>>>>> were to be any problems they should have come in at 58 when we had put most
>>>>>>>>> of our changes in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Having discounted the SOAG and volcanic changes from 64-66 that
>>>>>>>>> leaves either the ocean/ice/land initial conditions or a bug.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So we are doing two things.
>>>>>>>>> -Starting 66, but from Levitus initial conditions for the ocean
>>>>>>>>> (and probably retaining the 66 ICs for land and sea-ice).
>>>>>>>>> -Doing a very detailed check of the configuration used in MP3 and
>>>>>>>>> then compare to 66 for all components to try and find inconsistencies. If
>>>>>>>>> you could contribute to this that would be great.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hopefully we'll know more tomorrow!
>>>>>>>>> Rich
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>>>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu -
>>>>>>>>> http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>>>>>>>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR
>>>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David A Bailey
>>>>>>>>    email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>>>>>>> PO Box 3000
>>>>>>>>     fax  : 303-497-1700
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David A Bailey
>>>>>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>>>>> PO Box 3000
>>>>>>   fax  : 303-497-1700
>>>>>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> David A Bailey
>>>>>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
>>>>> PO Box 3000
>>>>>   fax  : 303-497-1700
>>>>> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
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From klindsay at ucar.edu  Fri Jun 17 11:42:08 2016
From: klindsay at ucar.edu (Keith Lindsay)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:42:08 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] updated multi-case sea ice timeseries plots
Message-ID: <CAH=TPvZKQ85pyOBXOxRkNb2G+ujqvv-sd-9X7YsgvUSq+EFkTg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I've updated the plots I sent yesterday. Cases 62, 63, 64, and 79 all have
additional years on them.
I've removed 32 and added 84, which is like 66, but has Sea Ice IC
consistent with the oceans, the end of MP.3.
This new case has run 9 years.

Observations:

1) The jump in Lab Sea ice area in 63 abated a small amount, but is still
high compared to 36 and MP.3

2) The initial trend in NH ice volume in 84 is lower than 66, though by
year 9 they are close. I infer from this that the initial surge (say over 5
years) in NH ice volume in 66 is largely from the sea ice IC. Note that
this result is different from Dave Bailey's result that changing the sea
ice IC in 79 led to the same initial ice volume as in 79. So the
sensitivity of the initial volume trend to sea ice IC depends on the
control case.

Keith
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Sat Jun 18 07:28:21 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 07:28:21 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] (no subject)
Message-ID: <CAAKAQ2+Dqpg3N7eugqFN0hpQ0m4Qdz5onk8_Nx05YeJj=hAxGw@mail.gmail.com>

I think I am getting close to have a simulation that reproduces 64 with
newer version of the code. Once I convince myself I have everything, I will
share the simulation with the rest of the group.
If you look at the cesm1.5 webpage, you will find new simulations (87 and
later). Please don't use these until you hear from me.
Thanks


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From mmills at ucar.edu  Sat Jun 18 09:20:05 2016
From: mmills at ucar.edu (Michael Mills)
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 09:20:05 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Ice vertical thermo error in WACCM transient F-case
Message-ID: <924492B9-43B5-452D-B4E8-B9F36B3F7817@ucar.edu>

I have been running a transient F-case for WACCM with specified chemistry starting on January 1, 1979.  The run has crashed 3 years in, on February 13, 1982 with the error below. I ran again, saving a restart on February 13, 1982 and continued, which reproduced the error. I have rebuilt in debug mode and am now running it again. If anyone has any insight on this, your help would be appreciated.

I am running from a sandbox I copied from Cecile?s case 79. I swapped the CLM code to use version n27 instead of n26, and included a CLM source mod from Keith Oleson to fix a crash in CLM. 

The current error appears to be in CICE, which is prescribed in this F-case.

Source dir:
/glade/u/home/mmills/cesm/cesm1_5_beta06_cam5_4_66_respmods_n27_clm4_5_8_r174/

Case dir:
/glade/p/work/mmills/case/f.e15.F55W5SC.f09_f09.001

Run dir:
/glade/scratch/mmills/f.e15.F55W5SC.f09_f09.001/run

1661: Thermo energy conservation error
1661: istep1, my_task, i, j:     5731147        1661           4           2
1661: Flux error (W/m^2) =  1.184438272333258E-003
1661: Energy error (J) =   2.13198889019986     
1661: Initial energy =  -6984325.19404071     
1661: Final energy   =  -6924040.25224036     
1661: efinal - einit  =   60284.9418003513     
1661: fsurfn,flatn,fswint,fhocn, fsnow*Lfresh:
1661:   1.85872225633289       -9.01935812779071        22.6291568939367     
1661:  0.000000000000000E+000  1.678738280412710E-002
1661: Input energy =   60282.8098114611     
1661: fbot(i,j),fcondbot(ij):
1661:  0.000000000000000E+000   28.2416360582305     
1661: Intermediate energy =  -6991079.82448615     
1661: efinal - einter =   67039.5722457906     
1661: einter - einit  =  -6754.63044543937     
1661: Conduction Error =  0.310641090312856     
1661: Melt/Growth Error =   2.44262998051272     
1661: Advection Error =  0.000000000000000E+000
1661: dt*(fsurfn, flatn, fswint, fhocn, fsnow*Lfresh, fadvocn):
1661:   3345.70006139919       -16234.8446300233        40732.4824090860     
1661:  0.000000000000000E+000   30.2172890474288       0.000000000000000E+000
1661: istep1, my_task, iblk =     5731147        1661           2
1661: category n =            1
1661: Global block:         944
1661: Global i and j:         240          28
1661: Lat, Lon:  -64.5549738219895        298.750000000000     
1661: aice:  0.000000000000000E+000
1661: n:            1 aicen:   1.029059679904855E-002
1661: ice: Vertical thermo error
1661: ERROR: ice: Vertical thermo error

1661:Image              PC                Routine            Line        Source             
1661:cesm.exe           00000000036D637D  Unknown               Unknown  Unknown
1661:cesm.exe           0000000002FDED66  shr_sys_mod_mp_sh         401  shr_sys_mod.F90
1661:cesm.exe           0000000002181735  ice_exit_mp_abort          46  ice_exit.F90
1661:cesm.exe           00000000023B394A  ice_step_mod_mp_s         552  ice_step_mod.F90
1661:cesm.exe           000000000225B8BF  cice_runmod_mp_ci         182  CICE_RunMod.F90
1661:libiomp5.so        00002AF4F1242AB3  Unknown               Unknown  Unknown
1661:libiomp5.so        00002AF4F12179D7  Unknown               Unknown  Unknown
1661:libiomp5.so        00002AF4F1219032  Unknown               Unknown  Unknown
1661:libiomp5.so        00002AF4F11ECFD5  Unknown               Unknown  Unknown
1661:cesm.exe           000000000225A05D  cice_runmod_mp_ci         169  CICE_RunMod.F90
1661:cesm.exe           0000000002174883  ice_comp_mct_mp_i         553  ice_comp_mct.F90
1661:cesm.exe           000000000043069B  component_mod_mp_        1079  component_mod.F90
1661:cesm.exe           000000000041BB02  cesm_comp_mod_mp_        2492  cesm_comp_mod.F90
1661:cesm.exe           0000000000430420  MAIN__                     93  cesm_driver.F90
1661:cesm.exe           00000000004197BE  Unknown               Unknown  Unknown
1661:libc.so.6          00002AF4F325AD5D  Unknown               Unknown  Unknown
1661:cesm.exe           00000000004196C9  Unknown               Unknown  Unknown
1661:Abort(1001) on node 1661 (rank 1661 in comm 1140850688): application called MPI_Abort(MPI_COMM_WORLD, 1001) - process 1661
1661:INFO: 0031-306  pm_atexit: pm_exit_value is 1.
INFO: 0031-251  task 1661 exited: rc=1
ERROR: 0031-300  Forcing all remote tasks to exit due to exit code 1 in task 1661
1726:forrtl: error (78): process killed (SIGTERM)

Mike
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Sun Jun 19 17:50:41 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 17:50:41 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] simulation 89 and 90
Message-ID: <CAAKAQ2+qkkypZpb=PbA92Bw+8fvvg7xFy=6-EY83nYWY0K4xbw@mail.gmail.com>

Following the last co-chair meeting, the goal was
- to extent 63 and 64
- to restart 64 with a new ww and the head of cam trunk

The reason to introduce a ww tag is to fix the reproducibility issue with
ww.
The reason to use the head of the cam trunk is the following:
64 was run before we merged autoconversion, beljaars, capeten and Chuck's
mods on the trunk. Some of the modifications were not orthogonal and the
result was that 64 uses a very customized sandbox. This is not a
straightforward simulation, and there is lot of room for mistake.
By trying to reproduce 64 with more recent of the cam trunk,  we create a
very clean sandbox based on a trunk tag. This still requires user_nl_*
mods, env_* mods and SourceMods but this is very straightforward (in the
sense there is no requirement going into the sandbox to manually edit
files).

I tried to use the head of the cam trunk (cam5_4_74). This is simulation
87. I spent quite a bit of time on that one. The climate of 87 is close to
64 but there was slight differences that make me uncomfortable to use it as
our new baseline. I checked all my setting and I believe they are correct.
I believe this is something that has slightly changed on the trunk itself.

As  we are short in time, I decided to use an older version of cam
(cam5_4_64). This is not the head of the trunk but this includes all the
merged code for cam.
I started a new simulation with this. This is simulation 89. I carefully
looked at the diags for 89 and I believe we can use this as our new
baseline instead of 64. The climate of 89 is basically the same as 64. Joe
also looked at the diags. We feel we can use this as our new baseline.

We added the new ww code to this (90).

Then, we have set a suite of experiments (91-94)  to investigate every step
between 64 (reasonable sea-ice thickness) and 66 (runaway  ice thickness)
These are not started yet but I would to start them as I think there are
key to understand the differences between 64 and 66.

So the current simulations are:

Running:
63
64
89  (=> This is 64 with cleaner code)
90 (=> This is 89 + new ww code)

Ready to go:
91 (stratospheric aerosol from yr 1850)
92 (restore soag x 1.5)
93 (add MP3 IC but not sea-ice. Inconsistent sea-ice and ocean IC)
94 (add MP3 IC including sea-ice. Consistent sea-ice and ocean IC)




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From hannay at ucar.edu  Sun Jun 19 21:34:33 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 21:34:33 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Length of simulations
Message-ID: <CAAKAQ2LK7+rsU8u1SwJxawoHoCz3LfmTo-HUPs+BCVZ_xViY2A@mail.gmail.com>

63: 64 yrs
64: 54 yrs
89: 18 yrs
90: 1 yr (John is taking over that one)

It would be nice to update ice/ocean diags on 63 and 64. Then, we can
decide if we want to continue or stop these two (63 and 64)
(Marika, Gokhan and Keith: it is great if you can give your input on this.
Especially updating the timeseries plots from Marika and Keith)



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cecile Hannay
National Center for Atmospheric Research
email: hannay at ucar.edu
phone: 303-497-1327
webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
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From jet at ucar.edu  Sun Jun 19 22:04:08 2016
From: jet at ucar.edu (John Truesdale)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 22:04:08 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Length of simulations
In-Reply-To: <CAAKAQ2LK7+rsU8u1SwJxawoHoCz3LfmTo-HUPs+BCVZ_xViY2A@mail.gmail.com>
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I'll rerun and update the standard ocn/ice diagnostics for 63 and 64.

jt

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
> 63: 64 yrs
> 64: 54 yrs
> 89: 18 yrs
> 90: 1 yr (John is taking over that one)
>
> It would be nice to update ice/ocean diags on 63 and 64. Then, we can decide
> if we want to continue or stop these two (63 and 64)
> (Marika, Gokhan and Keith: it is great if you can give your input on this.
> Especially updating the timeseries plots from Marika and Keith)
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>

From mholland at ucar.edu  Sun Jun 19 23:08:09 2016
From: mholland at ucar.edu (Marika Holland)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 23:08:09 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Length of simulations
In-Reply-To: <CAAKAQ2LK7+rsU8u1SwJxawoHoCz3LfmTo-HUPs+BCVZ_xViY2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2LK7+rsU8u1SwJxawoHoCz3LfmTo-HUPs+BCVZ_xViY2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJHuMQbo+8f_YQf7bBE4b3bTiH_-KK2rgMQss7HM1Cw-gBN9kg@mail.gmail.com>

Attached are plots of the annual mean ice thickness and area timeseries for
the Arctic and Labrador Sea. With the extra years in run 64, it now seems
to be approaching the Run 66 conditions in the Labrador Sea, with the ice
becoming quite thick and extensive.

Marika

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> 63: 64 yrs
> 64: 54 yrs
> 89: 18 yrs
> 90: 1 yr (John is taking over that one)
>
> It would be nice to update ice/ocean diags on 63 and 64. Then, we can
> decide if we want to continue or stop these two (63 and 64)
> (Marika, Gokhan and Keith: it is great if you can give your input on this.
> Especially updating the timeseries plots from Marika and Keith)
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
>


-- 
Marika Holland
National Center for Atmospheric Research
Boulder CO
USA
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From dbailey at ucar.edu  Sun Jun 19 23:20:26 2016
From: dbailey at ucar.edu (David Bailey)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 23:20:26 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Length of simulations
In-Reply-To: <CAJHuMQbo+8f_YQf7bBE4b3bTiH_-KK2rgMQss7HM1Cw-gBN9kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2LK7+rsU8u1SwJxawoHoCz3LfmTo-HUPs+BCVZ_xViY2A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAHim5894m6Qtwba9E_=DqYagCqF9h+UyOVPz5pNd+QYZA5EWxw@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like 63 is also headed this way.

Dave

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:08 PM, Marika Holland <mholland at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Attached are plots of the annual mean ice thickness and area timeseries
> for the Arctic and Labrador Sea. With the extra years in run 64, it now
> seems to be approaching the Run 66 conditions in the Labrador Sea, with the
> ice becoming quite thick and extensive.
>
> Marika
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> 63: 64 yrs
>> 64: 54 yrs
>> 89: 18 yrs
>> 90: 1 yr (John is taking over that one)
>>
>> It would be nice to update ice/ocean diags on 63 and 64. Then, we can
>> decide if we want to continue or stop these two (63 and 64)
>> (Marika, Gokhan and Keith: it is great if you can give your input on
>> this. Especially updating the timeseries plots from Marika and Keith)
>>
>>
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Cecile Hannay
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>> phone: 303-497-1327
>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Marika Holland
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> Boulder CO
> USA
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
>


-- 

David A Bailey
 email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
PO Box 3000
fax  : 303-497-1700
Boulder, CO 80307-3000
                   http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Mon Jun 20 05:46:01 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 05:46:01 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Length of simulations
In-Reply-To: <CAHim5894m6Qtwba9E_=DqYagCqF9h+UyOVPz5pNd+QYZA5EWxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2LK7+rsU8u1SwJxawoHoCz3LfmTo-HUPs+BCVZ_xViY2A@mail.gmail.com>
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Looking at the timeseries of 63 and 64, I think that we should only
continue these two for now.
If the problem is already in 64, there is no point to run more simulations
starting from 64.
If it is confirmed it is in 63 too, this is coming from the atmosphere. It
it is in 64 and not in 63, it is coming from an interaction between the
oceand and atmosphere.
Cecile




++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cecile Hannay
National Center for Atmospheric Research
email: hannay at ucar.edu
phone: 303-497-1327
webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:20 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Looks like 63 is also headed this way.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:08 PM, Marika Holland <mholland at ucar.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Attached are plots of the annual mean ice thickness and area timeseries
>> for the Arctic and Labrador Sea. With the extra years in run 64, it now
>> seems to be approaching the Run 66 conditions in the Labrador Sea, with the
>> ice becoming quite thick and extensive.
>>
>> Marika
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> 63: 64 yrs
>>> 64: 54 yrs
>>> 89: 18 yrs
>>> 90: 1 yr (John is taking over that one)
>>>
>>> It would be nice to update ice/ocean diags on 63 and 64. Then, we can
>>> decide if we want to continue or stop these two (63 and 64)
>>> (Marika, Gokhan and Keith: it is great if you can give your input on
>>> this. Especially updating the timeseries plots from Marika and Keith)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Cecile Hannay
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marika Holland
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> Boulder CO
>> USA
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> David A Bailey
>  email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
> PO Box 3000
> fax  : 303-497-1700
> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
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From klindsay at ucar.edu  Mon Jun 20 07:13:54 2016
From: klindsay at ucar.edu (Keith Lindsay)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 07:13:54 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Length of simulations
In-Reply-To: <CAJHuMQbo+8f_YQf7bBE4b3bTiH_-KK2rgMQss7HM1Cw-gBN9kg@mail.gmail.com>
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FYI, I updated my plots this morning, and they are consistent with Marika's.

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:08 PM, Marika Holland <mholland at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Attached are plots of the annual mean ice thickness and area timeseries
> for the Arctic and Labrador Sea. With the extra years in run 64, it now
> seems to be approaching the Run 66 conditions in the Labrador Sea, with the
> ice becoming quite thick and extensive.
>
> Marika
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> 63: 64 yrs
>> 64: 54 yrs
>> 89: 18 yrs
>> 90: 1 yr (John is taking over that one)
>>
>> It would be nice to update ice/ocean diags on 63 and 64. Then, we can
>> decide if we want to continue or stop these two (63 and 64)
>> (Marika, Gokhan and Keith: it is great if you can give your input on
>> this. Especially updating the timeseries plots from Marika and Keith)
>>
>>
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Cecile Hannay
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>> phone: 303-497-1327
>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Marika Holland
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> Boulder CO
> USA
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
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From lamar at ucar.edu  Mon Jun 20 07:18:19 2016
From: lamar at ucar.edu (Jean-Francois Lamarque)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 07:18:19 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Length of simulations
In-Reply-To: <CAH=TPvb2kcATbLf5N_=ZYQj_rPEnQxpXT5WmaQxw15p9tFQ_bg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2LK7+rsU8u1SwJxawoHoCz3LfmTo-HUPs+BCVZ_xViY2A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJHuMQbo+8f_YQf7bBE4b3bTiH_-KK2rgMQss7HM1Cw-gBN9kg@mail.gmail.com>
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Thank you all for these updates (just in time for my talk!).
It seems that we don't need to continue 64 but definitely 63 since
it seems to be sitting at the edge of starting buildup.

Jean-Fran?ois

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 7:13 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> FYI, I updated my plots this morning, and they are consistent with
> Marika's.
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:08 PM, Marika Holland <mholland at ucar.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Attached are plots of the annual mean ice thickness and area timeseries
>> for the Arctic and Labrador Sea. With the extra years in run 64, it now
>> seems to be approaching the Run 66 conditions in the Labrador Sea, with the
>> ice becoming quite thick and extensive.
>>
>> Marika
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> 63: 64 yrs
>>> 64: 54 yrs
>>> 89: 18 yrs
>>> 90: 1 yr (John is taking over that one)
>>>
>>> It would be nice to update ice/ocean diags on 63 and 64. Then, we can
>>> decide if we want to continue or stop these two (63 and 64)
>>> (Marika, Gokhan and Keith: it is great if you can give your input on
>>> this. Especially updating the timeseries plots from Marika and Keith)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Cecile Hannay
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marika Holland
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> Boulder CO
>> USA
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
>


-- 
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National Center for Atmospheric Research
P.O. Box 3000
Boulder, CO 80305
Tel: 303-4971495
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From dbailey at ucar.edu  Mon Jun 20 07:18:25 2016
From: dbailey at ucar.edu (David Bailey)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 07:18:25 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Length of simulations
In-Reply-To: <CAH=TPvb2kcATbLf5N_=ZYQj_rPEnQxpXT5WmaQxw15p9tFQ_bg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2LK7+rsU8u1SwJxawoHoCz3LfmTo-HUPs+BCVZ_xViY2A@mail.gmail.com>
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?I've updated the ice diagnostics for 63 and 64, but waiting for
permissions to write to 64 area.

http://webext.cgd.ucar.edu/B1850/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.63/ice/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.63-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.36/yrs1-72/
?

Basically 63 is thicker than 36 and trending up, but maybe not unreasonably
so.

Dave

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 7:13 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> FYI, I updated my plots this morning, and they are consistent with
> Marika's.
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:08 PM, Marika Holland <mholland at ucar.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Attached are plots of the annual mean ice thickness and area timeseries
>> for the Arctic and Labrador Sea. With the extra years in run 64, it now
>> seems to be approaching the Run 66 conditions in the Labrador Sea, with the
>> ice becoming quite thick and extensive.
>>
>> Marika
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> 63: 64 yrs
>>> 64: 54 yrs
>>> 89: 18 yrs
>>> 90: 1 yr (John is taking over that one)
>>>
>>> It would be nice to update ice/ocean diags on 63 and 64. Then, we can
>>> decide if we want to continue or stop these two (63 and 64)
>>> (Marika, Gokhan and Keith: it is great if you can give your input on
>>> this. Especially updating the timeseries plots from Marika and Keith)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Cecile Hannay
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Marika Holland
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> Boulder CO
>> USA
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
>


-- 

David A Bailey
 email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
PO Box 3000
fax  : 303-497-1700
Boulder, CO 80307-3000
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Mon Jun 20 08:05:06 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 08:05:06 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Length of simulations
In-Reply-To: <CAHVtL-cUPLWxvy1eEpOHWrkr5fCbQaU8NX9K7GFY-37vouexng@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAJHuMQbo+8f_YQf7bBE4b3bTiH_-KK2rgMQss7HM1Cw-gBN9kg@mail.gmail.com>
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I am just keeping 63 in the queue.
Cecile



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cecile Hannay
National Center for Atmospheric Research
email: hannay at ucar.edu
phone: 303-497-1327
webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 7:18 AM, Jean-Francois Lamarque <lamar at ucar.edu>
wrote:

> Thank you all for these updates (just in time for my talk!).
> It seems that we don't need to continue 64 but definitely 63 since
> it seems to be sitting at the edge of starting buildup.
>
> Jean-Fran?ois
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 7:13 AM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> FYI, I updated my plots this morning, and they are consistent with
>> Marika's.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:08 PM, Marika Holland <mholland at ucar.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Attached are plots of the annual mean ice thickness and area timeseries
>>> for the Arctic and Labrador Sea. With the extra years in run 64, it now
>>> seems to be approaching the Run 66 conditions in the Labrador Sea, with the
>>> ice becoming quite thick and extensive.
>>>
>>> Marika
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 63: 64 yrs
>>>> 64: 54 yrs
>>>> 89: 18 yrs
>>>> 90: 1 yr (John is taking over that one)
>>>>
>>>> It would be nice to update ice/ocean diags on 63 and 64. Then, we can
>>>> decide if we want to continue or stop these two (63 and 64)
>>>> (Marika, Gokhan and Keith: it is great if you can give your input on
>>>> this. Especially updating the timeseries plots from Marika and Keith)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marika Holland
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>> Boulder CO
>>> USA
>>>
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>>
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>
>
> --
> Jean-Fran?ois Lamarque
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> P.O. Box 3000
> Boulder, CO 80305
> Tel: 303-4971495
> http://acd.ucar.edu/~lamar/
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Mon Jun 20 08:25:35 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 08:25:35 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] current simulations: 63 and 90
Message-ID: <CAAKAQ2KgamenNk0Z-4jJr0Zg=yfO+9_=Boi1VmFbJ1mK3CfQvQ@mail.gmail.com>

The current simulations are:
63
90 (this is 64 + bugfix for ww3).
If there is any chance the issue is coming from the problem is coming from
the bug in ww3 we should keep 90 running. Otherwise, we should kill that
one too.
Your thoughts ?
Cecile


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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National Center for Atmospheric Research
email: hannay at ucar.edu
phone: 303-497-1327
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From gokhan at ucar.edu  Mon Jun 20 08:42:54 2016
From: gokhan at ucar.edu (Gokhan Danabasoglu)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 08:42:54 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] current simulations: 63 and 90
In-Reply-To: <CAAKAQ2KgamenNk0Z-4jJr0Zg=yfO+9_=Boi1VmFbJ1mK3CfQvQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Cecile,
I agree with your assessment. Both 63 and 90 should continue. 
Best,
Gokhan

> On Jun 20, 2016, at 08:25, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
> 
> The current simulations are: 
> 63
> 90 (this is 64 + bugfix for ww3).
> If there is any chance the issue is coming from the problem is coming from the bug in ww3 we should keep 90 running. Otherwise, we should kill that one too. 
> Your thoughts ? 
> Cecile
> 
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
> Cecile Hannay 
> National Center for Atmospheric Research 
> email: hannay at ucar.edu 
> phone: 303-497-1327 
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
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From mholland at ucar.edu  Mon Jun 20 09:22:57 2016
From: mholland at ucar.edu (Marika Holland)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 09:22:57 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] current simulations: 63 and 90
In-Reply-To: <CAAKAQ2KgamenNk0Z-4jJr0Zg=yfO+9_=Boi1VmFbJ1mK3CfQvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2KgamenNk0Z-4jJr0Zg=yfO+9_=Boi1VmFbJ1mK3CfQvQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I agree that we should keep both of the runs going.

Marika

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> The current simulations are:
> 63
> 90 (this is 64 + bugfix for ww3).
> If there is any chance the issue is coming from the problem is coming from
> the bug in ww3 we should keep 90 running. Otherwise, we should kill that
> one too.
> Your thoughts ?
> Cecile
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
>


-- 
Marika Holland
National Center for Atmospheric Research
Boulder CO
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From hannay at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 21 13:10:28 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 13:10:28 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 63 is 80-year
Message-ID: <CAAKAQ2JDnZZR8pUh-eO3z=kvCw6bjK-Wr18c8qkcAuERDoitjw@mail.gmail.com>

In case you want to update plots before the cross-WG session this afternoon.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cecile Hannay
National Center for Atmospheric Research
email: hannay at ucar.edu
phone: 303-497-1327
webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
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From jet at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 21 17:22:31 2016
From: jet at ucar.edu (John Truesdale)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 17:22:31 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 63 is 80-year
In-Reply-To: <CAAKAQ2JDnZZR8pUh-eO3z=kvCw6bjK-Wr18c8qkcAuERDoitjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2JDnZZR8pUh-eO3z=kvCw6bjK-Wr18c8qkcAuERDoitjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMe61eT6mOPvBoJ000VHxyhCrQRUE8M8KZS9=Dq52fqSwiuF-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry I didn't see this earlier.  I'll run it now though.

jt

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
> In case you want to update plots before the cross-WG session this afternoon.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>

From dbailey at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 21 20:42:00 2016
From: dbailey at ucar.edu (David Bailey)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 20:42:00 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 63 is 80-year
In-Reply-To: <CAMe61eT6mOPvBoJ000VHxyhCrQRUE8M8KZS9=Dq52fqSwiuF-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2JDnZZR8pUh-eO3z=kvCw6bjK-Wr18c8qkcAuERDoitjw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAHim58-AnWNxsf1eEPswd5=OTGNdq9cjSbWtZ2C47NmARMqHxw@mail.gmail.com>

I had already done the ice, but not the ocean.

Dave

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 5:22 PM, John Truesdale <jet at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Sorry I didn't see this earlier.  I'll run it now though.
>
> jt
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
> > In case you want to update plots before the cross-WG session this
> afternoon.
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Cecile Hannay
> > National Center for Atmospheric Research
> > email: hannay at ucar.edu
> > phone: 303-497-1327
> > webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Cesm2control mailing list
> > Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> > http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>



-- 

David A Bailey
 email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
PO Box 3000
fax  : 303-497-1700
Boulder, CO 80307-3000
                   http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
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From jet at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 21 23:23:13 2016
From: jet at ucar.edu (John Truesdale)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 23:23:13 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 63 is 80-year
In-Reply-To: <CAHim58-AnWNxsf1eEPswd5=OTGNdq9cjSbWtZ2C47NmARMqHxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2JDnZZR8pUh-eO3z=kvCw6bjK-Wr18c8qkcAuERDoitjw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMe61eT6mOPvBoJ000VHxyhCrQRUE8M8KZS9=Dq52fqSwiuF-Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMe61eQ9bpL0w79sdOfNfxB7ovw3fF6p1-XrM4SyOkPzvswqiw@mail.gmail.com>

The ocean is over there now as well.

jt

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 8:42 PM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
> I had already done the ice, but not the ocean.
>
> Dave
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 5:22 PM, John Truesdale <jet at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry I didn't see this earlier.  I'll run it now though.
>>
>> jt
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>> > In case you want to update plots before the cross-WG session this
>> > afternoon.
>> >
>> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> > Cecile Hannay
>> > National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> > email: hannay at ucar.edu
>> > phone: 303-497-1327
>> > webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Cesm2control mailing list
>> > Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> > http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> David A Bailey                                                        email:
> dbailey_at_ucar.edu
> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
> PO Box 3000                                                             fax
> : 303-497-1700
> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey

From hannay at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 23 12:23:26 2016
From: hannay at ucar.edu (Cecile Hannay)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 12:23:26 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 63 reached 100 years
Message-ID: <CAAKAQ2JOtnH9q58vzW2HeGC=8bV+K941fYe-h948Qbdo2Pcg3Q@mail.gmail.com>

I am stopping it for now.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cecile Hannay
National Center for Atmospheric Research
email: hannay at ucar.edu
phone: 303-497-1327
webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
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From klindsay at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 23 12:39:52 2016
From: klindsay at ucar.edu (Keith Lindsay)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 12:39:52 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 63 reached 100 years
In-Reply-To: <CAAKAQ2JOtnH9q58vzW2HeGC=8bV+K941fYe-h948Qbdo2Pcg3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2JOtnH9q58vzW2HeGC=8bV+K941fYe-h948Qbdo2Pcg3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH=TPvYB6Zg2Z5-g70sx6R_82Q+Gpp6JKV4yJUAC0f08mv-OgA@mail.gmail.com>

Attached are updated sea ice regional volume and area plots.
They also include Dave's albedo tuning experiment.

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> I am stopping it for now.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Cecile Hannay
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> email: hannay at ucar.edu
> phone: 303-497-1327
> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
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From klindsay at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 23 16:24:34 2016
From: klindsay at ucar.edu (Keith Lindsay)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 16:24:34 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 63 reached 100 years
In-Reply-To: <CAH=TPvYB6Zg2Z5-g70sx6R_82Q+Gpp6JKV4yJUAC0f08mv-OgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2JOtnH9q58vzW2HeGC=8bV+K941fYe-h948Qbdo2Pcg3Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAH=TPvaCSrJUXZXw3AmcRP-UCk=TE86k8PLE4p1cVn1K2-QfFA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

The submission that was going when I update the previous plots has
completed, and I've updated the figures with the 4 additional years
(figures attached). Unfortunately, it looks like the Lab Sea sea ice is
going off the rails between years 105 and 108.

Keith

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Attached are updated sea ice regional volume and area plots.
> They also include Dave's albedo tuning experiment.
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> I am stopping it for now.
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Cecile Hannay
>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>> phone: 303-497-1327
>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
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From mholland at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 23 17:55:14 2016
From: mholland at ucar.edu (Marika Holland)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 17:55:14 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 63 reached 100 years
In-Reply-To: <CAH=TPvaCSrJUXZXw3AmcRP-UCk=TE86k8PLE4p1cVn1K2-QfFA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2JOtnH9q58vzW2HeGC=8bV+K941fYe-h948Qbdo2Pcg3Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <9A000D01-055D-44CF-A1F5-8A1406C93E75@ucar.edu>

Crazy. Just shows that Cecile should have stopped the run at year 100. 

Dave will keep the lowered albedo run going and we will see where this is over the weekend. I think that we could even go a bit lower with ice albedos if needed. However, I'm not certain if this will help with the Lab Sea problem. 

Marika

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The submission that was going when I update the previous plots has completed, and I've updated the figures with the 4 additional years (figures attached). Unfortunately, it looks like the Lab Sea sea ice is going off the rails between years 105 and 108.
> 
> Keith
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>> Attached are updated sea ice regional volume and area plots.
>> They also include Dave's albedo tuning experiment.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>> I am stopping it for now. 
>>> 
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
>>> Cecile Hannay 
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research 
>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu 
>>> phone: 303-497-1327 
>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>> 
>> 
> 
> <NH_Ice_Vol.gif>
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> <ArcOc_Ice_Vol.gif>
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From rneale at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 23 21:24:44 2016
From: rneale at ucar.edu (Richard Neale)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 21:24:44 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 63 reached 100 years
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I wonder if there are excessively positive atmosphere-ice feedbacks that
are kicking in when things start to be covered in even a little amount of
ice.
I'll try and take a look, but I still think that there has to be other
things going on that sets the stage.
Rich

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Marika Holland <mholland at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Crazy. Just shows that Cecile should have stopped the run at year 100.
>
> Dave will keep the lowered albedo run going and we will see where this is
> over the weekend. I think that we could even go a bit lower with ice
> albedos if needed. However, I'm not certain if this will help with the Lab
> Sea problem.
>
> Marika
>
> On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The submission that was going when I update the previous plots has
> completed, and I've updated the figures with the 4 additional years
> (figures attached). Unfortunately, it looks like the Lab Sea sea ice is
> going off the rails between years 105 and 108.
>
> Keith
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Attached are updated sea ice regional volume and area plots.
>> They also include Dave's albedo tuning experiment.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> I am stopping it for now.
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Cecile Hannay
>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>
>>>
>>
> <NH_Ice_Vol.gif>
>
> <NH_Ice_Area.gif>
>
> <ArcOc_Ice_Vol.gif>
>
> <ArcOc_Ice_Area.gif>
>
> <LabSea_Ice_Vol.gif>
>
> <LabSea_Ice_Area.gif>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
>


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From gokhan at ucar.edu  Fri Jun 24 07:31:26 2016
From: gokhan at ucar.edu (Gokhan Danabasoglu)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 07:31:26 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 63 reached 100 years
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Keith, Marika, Rich, Joe, and John,

I know that the CESM chairs meeting has been cancelled for today, but I
think it will be useful to get together briefly today (2 pm, Oceanography
Conference Room) to discuss what additional diagnostics we should obtain.
At this point, I am not sure if we can say much about the LS behavior even
in #36 and MP.3, given now that it starts to go weird after 100+ years.

Best,
Gokhan



On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:

> I wonder if there are excessively positive atmosphere-ice feedbacks that
> are kicking in when things start to be covered in even a little amount of
> ice.
> I'll try and take a look, but I still think that there has to be other
> things going on that sets the stage.
> Rich
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Marika Holland <mholland at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Crazy. Just shows that Cecile should have stopped the run at year 100.
>>
>> Dave will keep the lowered albedo run going and we will see where this is
>> over the weekend. I think that we could even go a bit lower with ice
>> albedos if needed. However, I'm not certain if this will help with the Lab
>> Sea problem.
>>
>> Marika
>>
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The submission that was going when I update the previous plots has
>> completed, and I've updated the figures with the 4 additional years
>> (figures attached). Unfortunately, it looks like the Lab Sea sea ice is
>> going off the rails between years 105 and 108.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Attached are updated sea ice regional volume and area plots.
>>> They also include Dave's albedo tuning experiment.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am stopping it for now.
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> <NH_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>
>> <NH_Ice_Area.gif>
>>
>> <ArcOc_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>
>> <ArcOc_Ice_Area.gif>
>>
>> <LabSea_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>
>> <LabSea_Ice_Area.gif>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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From rneale at ucar.edu  Fri Jun 24 07:46:11 2016
From: rneale at ucar.edu (Richard Neale)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 07:46:11 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 63 reached 100 years
In-Reply-To: <CAM6SAh1BgxZJi1T3Ch1tESXwpMDO4PGrj6mdTvGNCaCzH_ux3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKAQ2JOtnH9q58vzW2HeGC=8bV+K941fYe-h948Qbdo2Pcg3Q@mail.gmail.com>
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I plan to do Cam equivalent time series like Keith has done
Rich
On Jun 24, 2016 7:32 AM, "Gokhan Danabasoglu" <gokhan at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Keith, Marika, Rich, Joe, and John,
>
> I know that the CESM chairs meeting has been cancelled for today, but I
> think it will be useful to get together briefly today (2 pm, Oceanography
> Conference Room) to discuss what additional diagnostics we should obtain.
> At this point, I am not sure if we can say much about the LS behavior even
> in #36 and MP.3, given now that it starts to go weird after 100+ years.
>
> Best,
> Gokhan
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> I wonder if there are excessively positive atmosphere-ice feedbacks that
>> are kicking in when things start to be covered in even a little amount of
>> ice.
>> I'll try and take a look, but I still think that there has to be other
>> things going on that sets the stage.
>> Rich
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Marika Holland <mholland at ucar.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Crazy. Just shows that Cecile should have stopped the run at year 100.
>>>
>>> Dave will keep the lowered albedo run going and we will see where this
>>> is over the weekend. I think that we could even go a bit lower with ice
>>> albedos if needed. However, I'm not certain if this will help with the Lab
>>> Sea problem.
>>>
>>> Marika
>>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The submission that was going when I update the previous plots has
>>> completed, and I've updated the figures with the 4 additional years
>>> (figures attached). Unfortunately, it looks like the Lab Sea sea ice is
>>> going off the rails between years 105 and 108.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attached are updated sea ice regional volume and area plots.
>>>> They also include Dave's albedo tuning experiment.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am stopping it for now.
>>>>>
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> <NH_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>>
>>> <NH_Ice_Area.gif>
>>>
>>> <ArcOc_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>>
>>> <ArcOc_Ice_Area.gif>
>>>
>>> <LabSea_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>>
>>> <LabSea_Ice_Area.gif>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>
>>
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From dbailey at ucar.edu  Fri Jun 24 08:39:08 2016
From: dbailey at ucar.edu (David Bailey)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 08:39:08 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 63 reached 100 years
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There is definitely something going on as my lower albedo run now has a
covered Labrador Sea after 52 years despite the Arctic thickness looking
pretty reasonable.

http://webext.cgd.ucar.edu/B1850/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all_tune.66/ice/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all_tune.66-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.66/yrs1-52/

Dave

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 7:46 AM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:

> I plan to do Cam equivalent time series like Keith has done
> Rich
> On Jun 24, 2016 7:32 AM, "Gokhan Danabasoglu" <gokhan at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Keith, Marika, Rich, Joe, and John,
>>
>> I know that the CESM chairs meeting has been cancelled for today, but I
>> think it will be useful to get together briefly today (2 pm, Oceanography
>> Conference Room) to discuss what additional diagnostics we should obtain.
>> At this point, I am not sure if we can say much about the LS behavior even
>> in #36 and MP.3, given now that it starts to go weird after 100+ years.
>>
>> Best,
>> Gokhan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder if there are excessively positive atmosphere-ice feedbacks that
>>> are kicking in when things start to be covered in even a little amount of
>>> ice.
>>> I'll try and take a look, but I still think that there has to be other
>>> things going on that sets the stage.
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Marika Holland <mholland at ucar.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Crazy. Just shows that Cecile should have stopped the run at year 100.
>>>>
>>>> Dave will keep the lowered albedo run going and we will see where this
>>>> is over the weekend. I think that we could even go a bit lower with ice
>>>> albedos if needed. However, I'm not certain if this will help with the Lab
>>>> Sea problem.
>>>>
>>>> Marika
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> The submission that was going when I update the previous plots has
>>>> completed, and I've updated the figures with the 4 additional years
>>>> (figures attached). Unfortunately, it looks like the Lab Sea sea ice is
>>>> going off the rails between years 105 and 108.
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attached are updated sea ice regional volume and area plots.
>>>>> They also include Dave's albedo tuning experiment.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am stopping it for now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <NH_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>>>
>>>> <NH_Ice_Area.gif>
>>>>
>>>> <ArcOc_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>>>
>>>> <ArcOc_Ice_Area.gif>
>>>>
>>>> <LabSea_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>>>
>>>> <LabSea_Ice_Area.gif>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>
>>>
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>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
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>>>
>>
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From lamar at ucar.edu  Fri Jun 24 08:52:56 2016
From: lamar at ucar.edu (Jean-Francois Lamarque)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 08:52:56 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 63 reached 100 years
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Gokhan

could you go to the Director's conference room and setup readytalk so that
I can call in?

Jean-Fran?ois

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 7:31 AM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Keith, Marika, Rich, Joe, and John,
>
> I know that the CESM chairs meeting has been cancelled for today, but I
> think it will be useful to get together briefly today (2 pm, Oceanography
> Conference Room) to discuss what additional diagnostics we should obtain.
> At this point, I am not sure if we can say much about the LS behavior even
> in #36 and MP.3, given now that it starts to go weird after 100+ years.
>
> Best,
> Gokhan
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> I wonder if there are excessively positive atmosphere-ice feedbacks that
>> are kicking in when things start to be covered in even a little amount of
>> ice.
>> I'll try and take a look, but I still think that there has to be other
>> things going on that sets the stage.
>> Rich
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Marika Holland <mholland at ucar.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Crazy. Just shows that Cecile should have stopped the run at year 100.
>>>
>>> Dave will keep the lowered albedo run going and we will see where this
>>> is over the weekend. I think that we could even go a bit lower with ice
>>> albedos if needed. However, I'm not certain if this will help with the Lab
>>> Sea problem.
>>>
>>> Marika
>>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The submission that was going when I update the previous plots has
>>> completed, and I've updated the figures with the 4 additional years
>>> (figures attached). Unfortunately, it looks like the Lab Sea sea ice is
>>> going off the rails between years 105 and 108.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attached are updated sea ice regional volume and area plots.
>>>> They also include Dave's albedo tuning experiment.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am stopping it for now.
>>>>>
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> <NH_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>>
>>> <NH_Ice_Area.gif>
>>>
>>> <ArcOc_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>>
>>> <ArcOc_Ice_Area.gif>
>>>
>>> <LabSea_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>>
>>> <LabSea_Ice_Area.gif>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
>
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> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
>


-- 
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From mholland at ucar.edu  Fri Jun 24 08:57:34 2016
From: mholland at ucar.edu (Marika Holland)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 08:57:34 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 63 reached 100 years
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I'll plan to be there at 2pm. 

Marika

> On Jun 24, 2016, at 7:31 AM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu> wrote:
> 
> Keith, Marika, Rich, Joe, and John,
> 
> I know that the CESM chairs meeting has been cancelled for today, but I think it will be useful to get together briefly today (2 pm, Oceanography Conference Room) to discuss what additional diagnostics we should obtain. At this point, I am not sure if we can say much about the LS behavior even in #36 and MP.3, given now that it starts to go weird after 100+ years. 
> 
> Best,
> Gokhan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>> I wonder if there are excessively positive atmosphere-ice feedbacks that are kicking in when things start to be covered in even a little amount of ice.
>> I'll try and take a look, but I still think that there has to be other things going on that sets the stage.
>> Rich
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Marika Holland <mholland at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>> Crazy. Just shows that Cecile should have stopped the run at year 100. 
>>> 
>>> Dave will keep the lowered albedo run going and we will see where this is over the weekend. I think that we could even go a bit lower with ice albedos if needed. However, I'm not certain if this will help with the Lab Sea problem. 
>>> 
>>> Marika
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> The submission that was going when I update the previous plots has completed, and I've updated the figures with the 4 additional years (figures attached). Unfortunately, it looks like the Lab Sea sea ice is going off the rails between years 105 and 108.
>>>> 
>>>> Keith
>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>> Attached are updated sea ice regional volume and area plots.
>>>>> They also include Dave's albedo tuning experiment.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> I am stopping it for now. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
>>>>>> Cecile Hannay 
>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research 
>>>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu 
>>>>>> phone: 303-497-1327 
>>>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>> 
>>>> <NH_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>>> <NH_Ice_Area.gif>
>>>> <ArcOc_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>>> <ArcOc_Ice_Area.gif>
>>>> <LabSea_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>>> <LabSea_Ice_Area.gif>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
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From gokhan at ucar.edu  Fri Jun 24 09:00:31 2016
From: gokhan at ucar.edu (Gokhan Danabasoglu)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 09:00:31 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 63 reached 100 years
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Sure. I think Keith has the instructions for Ready Tallk.

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Jean-Francois Lamarque <lamar at ucar.edu>
wrote:

> Gokhan
>
> could you go to the Director's conference room and setup readytalk so that
> I can call in?
>
> Jean-Fran?ois
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 7:31 AM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Keith, Marika, Rich, Joe, and John,
>>
>> I know that the CESM chairs meeting has been cancelled for today, but I
>> think it will be useful to get together briefly today (2 pm, Oceanography
>> Conference Room) to discuss what additional diagnostics we should obtain.
>> At this point, I am not sure if we can say much about the LS behavior even
>> in #36 and MP.3, given now that it starts to go weird after 100+ years.
>>
>> Best,
>> Gokhan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder if there are excessively positive atmosphere-ice feedbacks that
>>> are kicking in when things start to be covered in even a little amount of
>>> ice.
>>> I'll try and take a look, but I still think that there has to be other
>>> things going on that sets the stage.
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Marika Holland <mholland at ucar.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Crazy. Just shows that Cecile should have stopped the run at year 100.
>>>>
>>>> Dave will keep the lowered albedo run going and we will see where this
>>>> is over the weekend. I think that we could even go a bit lower with ice
>>>> albedos if needed. However, I'm not certain if this will help with the Lab
>>>> Sea problem.
>>>>
>>>> Marika
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> The submission that was going when I update the previous plots has
>>>> completed, and I've updated the figures with the 4 additional years
>>>> (figures attached). Unfortunately, it looks like the Lab Sea sea ice is
>>>> going off the rails between years 105 and 108.
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attached are updated sea ice regional volume and area plots.
>>>>> They also include Dave's albedo tuning experiment.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am stopping it for now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <NH_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>>>
>>>> <NH_Ice_Area.gif>
>>>>
>>>> <ArcOc_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>>>
>>>> <ArcOc_Ice_Area.gif>
>>>>
>>>> <LabSea_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>>>
>>>> <LabSea_Ice_Area.gif>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jean-Fran?ois Lamarque
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> P.O. Box 3000
> Boulder, CO 80305
> Tel: 303-4971495
> http://acd.ucar.edu/~lamar/
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From klindsay at ucar.edu  Fri Jun 24 14:02:55 2016
From: klindsay at ucar.edu (Keith Lindsay)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 14:02:55 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] 63 reached 100 years
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readytalk info
1-866-740-1260
4971358

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Jean-Francois Lamarque <lamar at ucar.edu>
wrote:

> Gokhan
>
> could you go to the Director's conference room and setup readytalk so that
> I can call in?
>
> Jean-Fran?ois
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 7:31 AM, Gokhan Danabasoglu <gokhan at ucar.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Keith, Marika, Rich, Joe, and John,
>>
>> I know that the CESM chairs meeting has been cancelled for today, but I
>> think it will be useful to get together briefly today (2 pm, Oceanography
>> Conference Room) to discuss what additional diagnostics we should obtain.
>> At this point, I am not sure if we can say much about the LS behavior even
>> in #36 and MP.3, given now that it starts to go weird after 100+ years.
>>
>> Best,
>> Gokhan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Richard Neale <rneale at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder if there are excessively positive atmosphere-ice feedbacks that
>>> are kicking in when things start to be covered in even a little amount of
>>> ice.
>>> I'll try and take a look, but I still think that there has to be other
>>> things going on that sets the stage.
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Marika Holland <mholland at ucar.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Crazy. Just shows that Cecile should have stopped the run at year 100.
>>>>
>>>> Dave will keep the lowered albedo run going and we will see where this
>>>> is over the weekend. I think that we could even go a bit lower with ice
>>>> albedos if needed. However, I'm not certain if this will help with the Lab
>>>> Sea problem.
>>>>
>>>> Marika
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> The submission that was going when I update the previous plots has
>>>> completed, and I've updated the figures with the 4 additional years
>>>> (figures attached). Unfortunately, it looks like the Lab Sea sea ice is
>>>> going off the rails between years 105 and 108.
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Keith Lindsay <klindsay at ucar.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attached are updated sea ice regional volume and area plots.
>>>>> They also include Dave's albedo tuning experiment.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Cecile Hannay <hannay at ucar.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am stopping it for now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>> Cecile Hannay
>>>>>> National Center for Atmospheric Research
>>>>>> email: hannay at ucar.edu
>>>>>> phone: 303-497-1327
>>>>>> webpage: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/hannay/
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <NH_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>>>
>>>> <NH_Ice_Area.gif>
>>>>
>>>> <ArcOc_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>>>
>>>> <ArcOc_Ice_Area.gif>
>>>>
>>>> <LabSea_Ice_Vol.gif>
>>>>
>>>> <LabSea_Ice_Area.gif>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>  Richard Neale - rneale at ucar.edu - http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cms/rneale -
>>>  Atmospheric Modeling & Predictability, CGD, NCAR  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>  P.O. Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>  Tel (303) 497-1380 Fax (303) 497-1324 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cesm2control mailing list
>>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jean-Fran?ois Lamarque
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> P.O. Box 3000
> Boulder, CO 80305
> Tel: 303-4971495
> http://acd.ucar.edu/~lamar/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From lamar at ucar.edu  Fri Jun 24 15:52:41 2016
From: lamar at ucar.edu (Jean-Francois Lamarque)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 15:52:41 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] additional disk space
Message-ID: <CAHVtL-d-FfQ0L0kVTDJjcye+6-1EmAGPFtWebxt7istJCE7FHg@mail.gmail.com>

Dave Hart will look into it on Tuesday (he's on PTO).
But he didn't says no right away!

Jean-Fran?ois

-- 
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From dbailey at ucar.edu  Mon Jun 27 21:01:53 2016
From: dbailey at ucar.edu (David Bailey)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 21:01:53 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] run 45
Message-ID: <CAHim588KKBab4d17HX2Y+-HxGcSWgUOCTUDhynn6dqxOg0Mj3Q@mail.gmail.com>

My branch of the 45 control run is out to 75 years. Here are the ice
diagnostics:

http://webext.cgd.ucar.edu/B1850/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.45/ice/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.45-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.36/ice/yrs1-75/

Looks pretty stable to me still. The output is in:

/glade/scratch/dbailey/archive/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.45

Dave

-- 

David A Bailey
 email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
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From lamar at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 28 09:55:03 2016
From: lamar at ucar.edu (Jean-Francois Lamarque)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:55:03 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] meeting in DAMON ROOM
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-- 
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From lamar at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 28 09:59:37 2016
From: lamar at ucar.edu (Jean-Francois Lamarque)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:59:37 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] slides for today
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/y38trxve4xjlptm/20160614.pptx?dl=0

no readytalk video yet but standard call-in number 4971358
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Jean-Fran?ois Lamarque
National Center for Atmospheric Research
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From lamar at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 28 10:04:00 2016
From: lamar at ucar.edu (Jean-Francois Lamarque)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 10:04:00 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] slides for today
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the real ones

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tgv0uw30l3azxf4/20160628.pptx?dl=0

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Jean-Francois Lamarque <lamar at ucar.edu>
wrote:

>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/y38trxve4xjlptm/20160614.pptx?dl=0
>
> no readytalk video yet but standard call-in number 4971358
> --
> Jean-Fran?ois Lamarque
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> P.O. Box 3000
> Boulder, CO 80305
> Tel: 303-4971495
> http://acd.ucar.edu/~lamar/
>
>


-- 
Jean-Fran?ois Lamarque
National Center for Atmospheric Research
P.O. Box 3000
Boulder, CO 80305
Tel: 303-4971495
http://acd.ucar.edu/~lamar/
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From lamar at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 28 14:02:40 2016
From: lamar at ucar.edu (Jean-Francois Lamarque)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 14:02:40 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Meeting Thursday June 30 2pm Chapman Room
Message-ID: <CAHVtL-dbzhgCJTYL1O5ymS5_0WRsMiHagZs2tYniMn_7tUr8xA@mail.gmail.com>

See you there.

Jean-Fran?ois

-- 
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National Center for Atmospheric Research
P.O. Box 3000
Boulder, CO 80305
Tel: 303-4971495
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From lamar at ucar.edu  Tue Jun 28 14:19:03 2016
From: lamar at ucar.edu (Jean-Francois Lamarque)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 14:19:03 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] glade space
Message-ID: <CAHVtL-fh+c5BPa9gPOmPtakM6ME7p=V-AwTJxOUjcd603qsodQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

could you let me know if it is critical to have glade space?
See Dave Hart's email below

Thanks.

Jean-Fran?ois

If you only need the space for a month, could you use scratch (which still
has a 2-month retention period).
I'm not sure if it's a challenge to have some space in /glade/p and some in
scratch, or if it's a group of people needing to share the space.
If it has to be in /glade/p, I'd have to keep it at the lower end of your
range, around 50 TB for one month.

-- 
Jean-Fran?ois Lamarque
National Center for Atmospheric Research
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Tel: 303-4971495
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From dlawren at ucar.edu  Wed Jun 29 09:52:26 2016
From: dlawren at ucar.edu (David Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 09:52:26 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Fwd: Labrador Sea
In-Reply-To: <CANA_4GpHLOBLCb4paxM6y7PvukndkD3bAL5kZWJjxxuUyqgkFQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,

Keith Oleson made some plots of river discharge into the Labrador Sea
region.  Differences between 36 and previous simulations and 64/66 are not
large, but there does seem to be a little bit of a shift in both the
partioning of liquid and ice runoff and the total runoff, especially in
spring/summer April to July.  Since the land didn't change, this must be a
result of a change in the surface mass balance over Greenland and other
land regions in the Canadian archipelago region.  The changes are not
dramatic so my intuition is that this is not a driver of the behavior that
we are seeing, but figured I would pass it along in case it jogs an idea
for someone who is more familiar with ocean dynamics.

Dave
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From lamar at ucar.edu  Wed Jun 29 15:56:59 2016
From: lamar at ucar.edu (Jean-Francois Lamarque)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:56:59 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Fwd: Labrador Sea
In-Reply-To: <CAGbponJHLLUvZG0LFqFsWZh1H-Z1Ntn2Zx0SJrbr1j+XSM4A8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANA_4GpHLOBLCb4paxM6y7PvukndkD3bAL5kZWJjxxuUyqgkFQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGbponJHLLUvZG0LFqFsWZh1H-Z1Ntn2Zx0SJrbr1j+XSM4A8w@mail.gmail.com>
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Dave

are those long-term averages?  Could you easily make timeseries (to see if
there is any connection to when the ice grows)?

Jean-Fran?ois

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, David Lawrence <dlawren at ucar.edu> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Keith Oleson made some plots of river discharge into the Labrador Sea
> region.  Differences between 36 and previous simulations and 64/66 are not
> large, but there does seem to be a little bit of a shift in both the
> partioning of liquid and ice runoff and the total runoff, especially in
> spring/summer April to July.  Since the land didn't change, this must be a
> result of a change in the surface mass balance over Greenland and other
> land regions in the Canadian archipelago region.  The changes are not
> dramatic so my intuition is that this is not a driver of the behavior that
> we are seeing, but figured I would pass it along in case it jogs an idea
> for someone who is more familiar with ocean dynamics.
>
> Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cesm2control mailing list
> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>
>


-- 
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P.O. Box 3000
Boulder, CO 80305
Tel: 303-4971495
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From oleson at ucar.edu  Wed Jun 29 16:34:53 2016
From: oleson at ucar.edu (Keith Oleson)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 16:34:53 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Fwd: Labrador Sea
In-Reply-To: <CAHVtL-co=YHyNCTaxkKMvaKmiE=a97PL-QdfkV+M+B-nK1jrJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANA_4GpHLOBLCb4paxM6y7PvukndkD3bAL5kZWJjxxuUyqgkFQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGbponJHLLUvZG0LFqFsWZh1H-Z1Ntn2Zx0SJrbr1j+XSM4A8w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHVtL-co=YHyNCTaxkKMvaKmiE=a97PL-QdfkV+M+B-nK1jrJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANA_4GqkuqX9N7otrniswo_tL3DksX-kXN8biWLRm9fKWHEv=Q@mail.gmail.com>

They are monthly averages for years 21-35 of each simulation.  I will make
some timeseries plots.

Keith

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Jean-Francois Lamarque <lamar at ucar.edu>
wrote:

> Dave
>
> are those long-term averages?  Could you easily make timeseries (to see if
> there is any connection to when the ice grows)?
>
> Jean-Fran?ois
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, David Lawrence <dlawren at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Keith Oleson made some plots of river discharge into the Labrador Sea
>> region.  Differences between 36 and previous simulations and 64/66 are not
>> large, but there does seem to be a little bit of a shift in both the
>> partioning of liquid and ice runoff and the total runoff, especially in
>> spring/summer April to July.  Since the land didn't change, this must be a
>> result of a change in the surface mass balance over Greenland and other
>> land regions in the Canadian archipelago region.  The changes are not
>> dramatic so my intuition is that this is not a driver of the behavior that
>> we are seeing, but figured I would pass it along in case it jogs an idea
>> for someone who is more familiar with ocean dynamics.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jean-Fran?ois Lamarque
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> P.O. Box 3000
> Boulder, CO 80305
> Tel: 303-4971495
> http://acd.ucar.edu/~lamar/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From oleson at ucar.edu  Wed Jun 29 20:23:21 2016
From: oleson at ucar.edu (Keith Oleson)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:23:21 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Fwd: Labrador Sea
In-Reply-To: <CAHVtL-co=YHyNCTaxkKMvaKmiE=a97PL-QdfkV+M+B-nK1jrJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANA_4GpHLOBLCb4paxM6y7PvukndkD3bAL5kZWJjxxuUyqgkFQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGbponJHLLUvZG0LFqFsWZh1H-Z1Ntn2Zx0SJrbr1j+XSM4A8w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHVtL-co=YHyNCTaxkKMvaKmiE=a97PL-QdfkV+M+B-nK1jrJg@mail.gmail.com>
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I added some plots to the previous ppt (attached).  The first set of 3 are
annual means for years 1-62 for each simulation.
The most noticeable feature here is a decline in liq discharge to the ocean
in 64 and tune_66 after year 40 (first top plot), presumably due to
decreasing glacier/snow melt due to the increasingly colder climate.
The second set of 3 are monthly means for the same time period.

Keith

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Jean-Francois Lamarque <lamar at ucar.edu>
wrote:

> Dave
>
> are those long-term averages?  Could you easily make timeseries (to see if
> there is any connection to when the ice grows)?
>
> Jean-Fran?ois
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, David Lawrence <dlawren at ucar.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Keith Oleson made some plots of river discharge into the Labrador Sea
>> region.  Differences between 36 and previous simulations and 64/66 are not
>> large, but there does seem to be a little bit of a shift in both the
>> partioning of liquid and ice runoff and the total runoff, especially in
>> spring/summer April to July.  Since the land didn't change, this must be a
>> result of a change in the surface mass balance over Greenland and other
>> land regions in the Canadian archipelago region.  The changes are not
>> dramatic so my intuition is that this is not a driver of the behavior that
>> we are seeing, but figured I would pass it along in case it jogs an idea
>> for someone who is more familiar with ocean dynamics.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cesm2control mailing list
>> Cesm2control at cgd.ucar.edu
>> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jean-Fran?ois Lamarque
> National Center for Atmospheric Research
> P.O. Box 3000
> Boulder, CO 80305
> Tel: 303-4971495
> http://acd.ucar.edu/~lamar/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/mailman/listinfo/cesm2control
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From dbailey at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 30 11:43:45 2016
From: dbailey at ucar.edu (David Bailey)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 11:43:45 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Updated ice diagnostics
Message-ID: <CAHim588TJqvaby1aMAXjg5yX0hNAVK9mnMkkskAXs6fT9bov3g@mail.gmail.com>

I have updated the ice diagnostics for three runs. I extended the 45
control run to 100 years and I don't see any issues with it compared to 36.
I have two new runs that are only out 20 and 16 years, these are a new
albedo tuning (even lower) and going back to the old freezing point. It is
too early to say anything about these, but I will keep them running.

Dave

http://webext.cgd.ucar.edu/B1850/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.45/ice/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.45-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.36/ice/yrs1-100/

http://webext.cgd.ucar.edu/B1850/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all_tune2.66/ice/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all_tune2.66-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.66/yrs1-20/

http://webext.cgd.ucar.edu/B1850/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all_tfrz.66/ice/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all_tfrz.66-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.66/yrs1-16/

David A Bailey
 email: dbailey_at_ucar.edu
National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
PO Box 3000
fax  : 303-497-1700
Boulder, CO 80307-3000
                   http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
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From jet at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 30 13:16:14 2016
From: jet at ucar.edu (John Truesdale)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 13:16:14 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Updated ice diagnostics
In-Reply-To: <CAHim588TJqvaby1aMAXjg5yX0hNAVK9mnMkkskAXs6fT9bov3g@mail.gmail.com>
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I also updated the ocean links for 45.

http://webext.cgd.ucar.edu/B1850/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.45/ocn/

OCN also looks ok.


jt

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:43 AM, David Bailey <dbailey at ucar.edu> wrote:
> I have updated the ice diagnostics for three runs. I extended the 45 control
> run to 100 years and I don't see any issues with it compared to 36. I have
> two new runs that are only out 20 and 16 years, these are a new albedo
> tuning (even lower) and going back to the old freezing point. It is too
> early to say anything about these, but I will keep them running.
>
> Dave
>
> http://webext.cgd.ucar.edu/B1850/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.45/ice/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.45-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.36/ice/yrs1-100/
>
> http://webext.cgd.ucar.edu/B1850/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all_tune2.66/ice/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all_tune2.66-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.66/yrs1-20/
>
> http://webext.cgd.ucar.edu/B1850/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all_tfrz.66/ice/b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all_tfrz.66-b.e15.B1850.f09_g16.pi_control.all.66/yrs1-16/
>
> David A Bailey                                                        email:
> dbailey_at_ucar.edu
> National Center for Atmospheric Research   phone: 303-497-1737
> PO Box 3000                                                             fax
> : 303-497-1700
> Boulder, CO 80307-3000
>                    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/staff/dbailey
>
>
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From lamar at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 30 13:48:54 2016
From: lamar at ucar.edu (Jean-Francois Lamarque)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 13:48:54 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] slides for today
Message-ID: <CAHVtL-e4QkScKJKetMyrEk69u_+y1WiEskKJdemjwdtwhQJSHA@mail.gmail.com>

See you in 10 minutes in the Chapman Room

https://www.dropbox.com/s/f2xm1rksf3sl1dq/20160630.pptx?dl=0

-- 
Jean-Fran?ois Lamarque
National Center for Atmospheric Research
P.O. Box 3000
Boulder, CO 80305
Tel: 303-4971495
http://acd.ucar.edu/~lamar/
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From lamar at ucar.edu  Thu Jun 30 15:36:47 2016
From: lamar at ucar.edu (Jean-Francois Lamarque)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 15:36:47 -0600
Subject: [Cesm2control] Meeting July 7 2pm in room 680 (penthouse) Tower B
Message-ID: <CAHVtL-fWgNBsnx+kqxfqRQMdKuf=u=wm8UB0g4wdGv6EOLrWBA@mail.gmail.com>

See you there.

Jean-Fran?ois

-- 
Jean-Fran?ois Lamarque
National Center for Atmospheric Research
P.O. Box 3000
Boulder, CO 80305
Tel: 303-4971495
http://acd.ucar.edu/~lamar/
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