[CF-metadata] Pre-proposal for "charset"
Bob Simons - NOAA Federal
bob.simons at noaa.gov
Wed Feb 22 13:08:24 MST 2017
I don't like "ASCII" because it only applies to 7 bits even though chars
have 8 bits. So specifying "ASCII" still leaves ambiguity if any of the
chars have the 8th bit set. The file writer may know the variable will only
have 7 bit values, but it is safer for the reader to read the variable with
a decoder that handles 8 bit values. "ASCII" is trouble, so there is no
reason to encourage it, especially when there are compatible alternatives
I do like ISO-8859-1, because
* It is compatible with ASCII for chars 0-127, which is all that ASCII
* Any variable that has just 7bit ASCII chars can be labelled
* It is the most commonly used single-page 8bit charset for supporting the
* It is widely used and supported.
I do like UTF-8 because it is the only charset that supports full Unicode
(all UTF-16/UCS-4/UTF-32 characters) in an 8bit encoding (since that is all
we have for characters in netcdf-3 files: 8bit chars). And it is incredibly
widely used and supported in software.
UTF-16/UTF-32/UCS-4 are not possible options because netcdf-3 files only
have an 8bit char data type, not 16 or 32bit chars. If we want to support
more than 255 different characters in a given char variable, UTF-8 is
really the only option (which is fine because it is a good option).
So my proposal is: charset can specify any single-page (8bit) character
set, but the two recommended charsets would be "ISO-8859-1" (for most
simple cases) and "UTF-8" (for harder cases / full Unicode).
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Chris Barker <chris.barker at noaa.gov>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Bob Simons - NOAA Federal <
> bob.simons at noaa.gov> wrote:
>> As for needing a different subject for the email: I'm lumping together 2
>> new related attribute names: "charset=..." and "data_type=string|char" so
>> that the information stored in char variables in netcdf-3 files can be
>> easily and unambiguously interpreted.
> somehow it got smashed in with the thread about geometries.. maybe that
> was my email client. But anyway, away we go!
>> You are correct. My proposal is for netcdf-3 files since they only
>> support chars, not true strings.
> so maybe make it clear that for netcdf4, one should use strings? I'm not
> sure if there is anything in CF now that is 3 vs 4 specific...
>> As for "encoding" vs "charset", I'm open to different names. I chose
>> "charset" because that is the name used in HTML and is widely used in other
>> places. Yes, XML uses "encoding". To me, the word "charset" seems
>> preferable because it is more specific than "encoding" (which also has a
>> more general purpose meaning).
> not a biggie -- +0 for encoding from me.
>> As for full Unicode support via UTF-8 vs UTF-16:
> well, UTF-16 is the worst option -- let's never use that! UCS-4 is the way
> to go if you want full unicode support and constant bytes per charactor.
> though "wastes" space.
>> Since netcdf-3 only supports 8bit chars, the 16bit UTF-16 is not an
> well, sure, but at the binary level a CHAR is simply an unsigned 8-bit
> integer -- so you could stuff any encoding into an array of CHAR.
> But UTF-8 is the only way I know of to support full Unicode using only
>> 8bit chars for the underlying storage.
> see above, but:
>> It is very widely used. Every modern piece of software that can read or
>> write text files supports it. It is the default for both XML and HTML 5.
> yeah, it really is the best compromise -- and becoming the universal form
> for data interchange.
>> If the file writer doesn't need full Unicode, they can use "ISO-8859-1"
>> (which is compatible with 7bit ASCII)
> I'd vote for ASCII and ISO-8859-1 as the only options (Or the HIGHLY
> RECOMMENDED options, at least).
> Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
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