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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I think it's because of the fact that in the upper layer (10m or so) we may have all four of them :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">surface_eastward_sea_water_velocity and surface_northward_sea_water_velocity for water AND ice<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:200%"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:200%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">This is already a standard name with the definition that >"Water" means water in all phases"< so we can't
 use it for water only.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">eastward_sea_ice_velocity and northward_sea_ice_velocity is the one we use for the ice only<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">underice_eastward_sea_water_velocity and underice_northward_sea_water_velocity we propose for the water under the ice which is different
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">eastward_sea_water_velocity and northward_sea_water_velocity which we use for the water body that is not at the surface (as the layer has several meters).</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We use the data for modelling of substances at the surface in the ice, so the separation of these data is important to us.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="SV" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F497D">Ute Brönner<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F497D">Direct phone (+47) 998 98 987<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lowry, Roy K. [mailto:rkl@bodc.ac.uk]
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<b>Sent:</b> 30 May 2017 17:50<br>
<b>To:</b> Ute Brönner <Ute.Broenner@sintef.no>; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Petter Rønningen <Petter.Ronningen@sintef.no>; Morten Omholt Alver <Morten.Alver@sintef.no>; Tor Nordam <Tor.Nordam@sintef.no><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CF-metadata] standard names under ice velocity of water<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Dear Ute,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I would prefer the same Standard Name for the currents in a body of water whether or not it is covered by ice. What happens if you have a full year of data from a position
 where there is only ice for part of the year? Would you have a change of Standard Name for the water body currents when the ice melts?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">So, why not use 'eastward_sea_water_velocity' and 'northward_sea_water_velocity'?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Cheers, Roy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> CF-metadata <<a href="mailto:cf-metadata-bounces@cgd.ucar.edu">cf-metadata-bounces@cgd.ucar.edu</a>>
 on behalf of Ute Brönner <<a href="mailto:Ute.Broenner@sintef.no">Ute.Broenner@sintef.no</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 30 May 2017 15:39<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu">cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Petter Rønningen; Morten Omholt Alver; Tor Nordam<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CF-metadata] standard names under ice velocity of water</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Hei from Norway!<br>
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Our institute produces metocean data including currents and ice with the variables<br>
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eastward_sea_ice_velocity and northward_sea_ice_velocity <br>
surface_eastward_sea_water_velocity and surface_northward_sea_water_velocity<br>
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The latter include the velocity of water and ice together:<br>
"Water" means water in all phases, including frozen i.e. ice and snow. A velocity is a vector quantity. "Eastward" indicates a vector component which is positive when directed eastward (negative westward).<br>
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We are also storing the velocity of water under the ice (which one could assume as the difference of the two above, slightly more complicated I think). What would be the standard name for that velocity? If there isn't any yet, may we propose<br>
underice_eastward_sea_water_velocity and underice_northward_sea_water_velocity?<br>
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With kind regards / med vennlig hilsen,<br>
Ute<br>
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Ute Brönner<br>
Research Scientist & Senior Project Manager <br>
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SINTEF Ocean<br>
Environmental Technology, Monitoring and Modelling<br>
<a href="http://www.sintef.no/DREAM">www.sintef.no/DREAM</a>,  <a href="http://www.sintef.no/OSCAR">
www.sintef.no/OSCAR</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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